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/r/neoliberal elects the American Presidents - Part 54, Obama v McCain in 2008

2020.10.21 01:46 John_Charles_Fremont /r/neoliberal elects the American Presidents - Part 54, Obama v McCain in 2008

Previous editions:
(All strawpoll results counted as of the next post made)
Part 1, Adams v Jefferson in 1796 - Adams wins with 68% of the vote
Part 2, Adams v Jefferson in 1800 - Jefferson wins with 58% of the vote
Part 3, Jefferson v Pinckney in 1804 - Jefferson wins with 57% of the vote
Part 4, Madison v Pinckney (with George Clinton protest) in 1808 - Pinckney wins with 45% of the vote
Part 5, Madison v (DeWitt) Clinton in 1812 - Clinton wins with 80% of the vote
Part 6, Monroe v King in 1816 - Monroe wins with 51% of the vote
Part 7, Monroe and an Era of Meta Feelings in 1820 - Monroe wins with 100% of the vote
Part 8, Democratic-Republican Thunderdome in 1824 - Adams wins with 55% of the vote
Part 9, Adams v Jackson in 1828 - Adams wins with 94% of the vote
Part 10, Jackson v Clay (v Wirt) in 1832 - Clay wins with 53% of the vote
Part 11, Van Buren v The Whigs in 1836 - Whigs win with 87% of the vote, Webster elected
Part 12, Van Buren v Harrison in 1840 - Harrison wins with 90% of the vote
Part 13, Polk v Clay in 1844 - Polk wins with 59% of the vote
Part 14, Taylor v Cass in 1848 - Taylor wins with 44% of the vote (see special rules)
Part 15, Pierce v Scott in 1852 - Scott wins with 78% of the vote
Part 16, Buchanan v Frémont v Fillmore in 1856 - Frémont wins with 95% of the vote
Part 17, Peculiar Thunderdome in 1860 - Lincoln wins with 90% of the vote.
Part 18, Lincoln v McClellan in 1864 - Lincoln wins with 97% of the vote.
Part 19, Grant v Seymour in 1868 - Grant wins with 97% of the vote.
Part 20, Grant v Greeley in 1872 - Grant wins with 96% of the vote.
Part 21, Hayes v Tilden in 1876 - Hayes wins with 87% of the vote.
Part 22, Garfield v Hancock in 1880 - Garfield wins with 67% of the vote.
Part 23, Cleveland v Blaine in 1884 - Cleveland wins with 53% of the vote.
Part 24, Cleveland v Harrison in 1888 - Harrison wins with 64% of the vote.
Part 25, Cleveland v Harrison v Weaver in 1892 - Harrison wins with 57% of the vote
Part 26, McKinley v Bryan in 1896 - McKinley wins with 71% of the vote
Part 27, McKinley v Bryan in 1900 - Bryan wins with 55% of the vote
Part 28, Roosevelt v Parker in 1904 - Roosevelt wins with 71% of the vote
Part 29, Taft v Bryan in 1908 - Taft wins with 64% of the vote
Part 30, Taft v Wilson v Roosevelt in 1912 - Roosevelt wins with 81% of the vote
Part 31, Wilson v Hughes in 1916 - Hughes wins with 62% of the vote
Part 32, Harding v Cox in 1920 - Cox wins with 68% of the vote
Part 33, Coolidge v Davis v La Follette in 1924 - Davis wins with 47% of the vote
Part 34, Hoover v Smith in 1928 - Hoover wins with 50.2% of the vote
Part 35, Hoover v Roosevelt in 1932 - Roosevelt wins with 85% of the vote
Part 36, Landon v Roosevelt in 1936 - Roosevelt wins with 75% of the vote
Part 37, Willkie v Roosevelt in 1940 - Roosevelt wins with 56% of the vote
Part 38, Dewey v Roosevelt in 1944 - Dewey wins with 50.2% of the vote
Part 39, Dewey v Truman in 1948 - Truman wins with 65% of the vote
Part 40, Eisenhower v Stevenson in 1952 - Eisenhower wins with 69% of the vote
Part 41, Eisenhower v Stevenson in 1956 - Eisenhower wins with 60% of the vote
Part 42, Kennedy v Nixon in 1960 - Kennedy wins with 63% of the vote
Part 43, Johnson v Goldwater in 1964 - Johnson wins with 87% of the vote
Part 44, Nixon v Humphrey in 1968 - Humphrey wins with 60% of the vote
Part 45, Nixon v McGovern in 1972 - Nixon wins with 56% of the vote
Part 46, Carter v Ford in 1976 - Carter wins with 71% of the vote
Part 47 - Carter v Reagan v Anderson in 1980 - Carter wins with 44% of the vote
Part 48, Reagan v Mondale in 1984 - Mondale wins with 55% of the vote
Part 49, Bush v Dukakis in 1988 - Bush wins with 54% of the vote
Part 50, Bush v Clinton v Perot in 1992 - Clinton wins with 71% of the vote
Part 51, Clinton v Dole in 1996 - Clinton wins with 91% of the vote
Part 52, Bush v Gore in 2000 - Gore wins with 88% of the vote
Part 53, Bush v Kerry in 2004 - Kerry wins with 89% of the vote
Welcome back to the fifty-fourth edition of /neoliberal elects the American presidents!
This will be a fairly consistent weekly thing - every week, a new election, until we run out.
I highly encourage you - at least in terms of the vote you cast - to try to think from the perspective of the year the election was held, without knowing the future or how the next administration would go. I'm not going to be trying to enforce that, but feel free to remind fellow commenters of this distinction.
If you're really feeling hardcore, feel free to even speak in the present tense as if the election is truly upcoming!
Whether third and fourth candidates are considered "major" enough to include in the strawpoll will be largely at my discretion and depend on things like whether they were actually intending to run for President, and whether they wound up actually pulling in a meaningful amount of the popular vote and even electoral votes. I may also invoke special rules in how the results will be interpreted in certain elections to better approximate historical reality.
While I will always give some brief background info to spur the discussion, please don't hesitate to bring your own research and knowledge into the mix! There's no way I'll cover everything!
John McCain v Barack Obama, 2008
Profiles
  • John McCain is the 72-year-old Republican candidate and a US Senator from Arizona. His running mate is Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin.
  • Barack Obama is the 47-year-old Democratic candidate and a US Senator from Illinois. His running mate is US Senator from Delaware Joe Biden.
Issues and Background
  • The United States and other countries are in the midst of what many are describing as the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. The crisis was largely triggered by a collapse in home prices, which in turn caused securities tied directly or indirectly to real estate to plummet in value. In September, major investment bank Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy. A day later, the Federal Reserve bailed out and essentially took control of insurance giant AIG. Credit markets were on the brink of meltdown. In early October, Congress passed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, which created an enormous government program to purchase "toxic assets" from banks and significantly increased the amount of insurance provided by the FDIC. Both McCain and Obama supported this rescue plan. Liquidity appears to have been restored, but the economic situation is still otherwise dire.
    • Senator Obama has described the current crisis as a "final verdict on eight years of failed economic policies promoted by George Bush, supported by Senator McCain, a theory that basically says that we can shred regulations and consumer protections and give more and more to the most, and somehow prosperity will trickle down." Obama has spoken of the importance of oversight over the TARP $700 billion, of the possibility of getting that money back, of making sure none of that money is going to executive pay or executive severance packages, and of following up the package with help for homeowners.
    • Senator McCain has said that what distinguishes him from Senator Obama on how he will lead the country out of the economic crisis is his commitment to get government spending under control. McCain has proposed a one-year spending freeze on "non-defense, non-veterans discretionary spending." McCain has criticized Senator Obama for supporting "pork-barrel spending" in the past.
  • The US occupation of Iraq continues. Last year, the Bush Administration oversaw a troop surge, and the conventional wisdom is that the situation has generally improved as a result. There are some indications that the security situation is improving and that the training of the new Iraqi military is working. That said, pressure on the US to withdraw has increased, as the Iraqi government has sought a withdrawal timetable and the US coalition partners have begun their own withdraw. Security responsibility for several provinces has already been transferred from US forces to Iraqi forces. However, earlier this year, General David Petraeus called for the delaying of troop withdrawals.
    • Both candidates accuse the other of failures of judgement. Senator Obama has criticized McCain sharply for supporting invading Iraq in the first place, while Senator McCain has criticized Obama for not supporting the 2007 surge. On the latter point, in January 2007 Senator Obama's stance was:
      The need to bring this war to an end is here. That is why today I am introducing the Iraq War De-escalation Act of 2007. This plan would not only place a cap on the number of troops in Iraq and stop the escalation: more importantly, it would begin a phased redeployment of United States forced with the goal of removing all United States combat forces from Iraq by March 31, 2008.
    • Early this year, Democrats seized on a statement from Senator McCain in which he indicated that he would be comfortable with an American presence in Iraq for "maybe 100" years. He has stood by the comments, saying he was referring to a presence comparable to what the US has had in South Korea, Germany, and Japan.
    • Under the Obama plan for Iraq, a phased withdrawal of most troops would begin which would likely remove the US troop presence by summer of 2010. A residual force would remain "to conduct targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel."
    • Under the McCain plan for Iraq, the US would not leave Iraq "before Al Qaeda in Iraq is defeated and before a competent, trained, and capable Iraqi security force is in place and operating effectively."
  • Sarah Palin has received a significant amount of both positive and negative attention relative to most VP nominees. Supporters praise her history as a reformer, her advocacy for families with special needs children, and her ability to energize parts of the Republican base. However, critics have raised questions about her knowledge of policy and her readiness to be President if it became necessary. Some in the media have expressed frustration at their limited access to Governor Palin. This scrutiny increased following a poorly received interview with Katie Couric which included the following exchanges:
    COURIC: You've cited Alaska's proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?
    PALIN: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land boundary that we have with Canada ... We have trade missions back and forth. We -- we do -- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where -- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to -- to our state.
    ...
    COURIC: What other Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with?
    PALIN: Well, let’s see. There’s, of course in the great history of America there have been rulings, that’s never going to be absolute consensus by every American. And there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but …
    COURIC: Can you think of any?
    PALIN: Well, I could think of … any again, that could be best dealt with on a more local level. Maybe I would take issue with. But, you know, as mayor, and then as governor and even as a vice president, if I’m so privileged to serve, wouldn’t be in a position of changing those things but in supporting the law of the land as it reads today.
    ...
    COURIC: And when it comes to establishing your worldview, I was curious, what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay informed and to understand the world?
    PALIN: I’ve read most of them, again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media.
    COURIC: What, specifically?
    PALIN: Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me all these years.
    COURIC: Can you name a few?
    PALIN: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news, too. Alaska isn’t a foreign country, where it’s kind of suggested, “Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C., may be thinking when you live up there in Alaska?”
  • Health care reform has come up frequently on the campaign trail. Both candidates recognize a need to increase coverage and lower costs.
    • The Obama plan includes requiring health insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions, a tax credit to incentivize small businesses to provide health coverage, requirements on large employers to provide health coverage or otherwise contribute financially to their employee's health care, and "a National Health Insurance Exchange with a range of private insurance options as well as a new public plan based on benefits available to members of Congress."
    • The McCain plan is to offer "a direct refundable tax credit ... of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families to offset the cost of insurance" and promote health savings accounts. McCain also seeks to make it easier to purchase health insurance across state lines.
  • Attention has also been given to the candidate's differing tax plans.
    • The Obama tax plan is to cut taxes for the middle class further than the Bush tax cuts did, while increasing taxes on the wealthiest 2% of Americans back to levels as they were in the 1990s. Senator Obama also seeks to implement a universal 10% mortgage interest tax credit, the elimination of income taxes for seniors making less than $50,000 a year, and an expansion of the EITC.
    • The McCain tax plan is to preserve all of the Bush tax cuts, phase out the Alternative Minimum Tax, cut the corporate tax rate to 25%, and establish a large R&D tax credit. Senator McCain also pledges to keep the Internet free of taxes.
    • In October at a campaign stop, Senator Obama was confronted by Joe Wurzelbacher, who has since become known colloquially as "Joe the Plumber", with concerns that he would be taxed more if Senator Obama were to become President. More recently, Wurzelbacher has made joint appearances with John McCain on the campaign trail. The McCain campaign has in particular seized on Obama's comment to Joe that "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
  • McCain, currently 72, would be the oldest first-term President if elected. McCain gave reporters an opportunity to review his full medical records, which showed that he is generally in good health and has relatively low risk of heart disease despite slightly elevated cholesterol and past issues with skin cancer.
  • If elected, Senator Obama would be the first African-American President of the United States. Obama was born in Hawaii, the son of a Kenyan economist and an anthropologist from Kansas. While many find the possibility of the first African-American President inspiring, particularly when combined with the optimistic rhetoric of Senator Obama's campaign, his identity has also been related to unique challenges for him during the campaign. Members of his own party during the primary implied that his success in the race was mainly due to his race. Former VP nominee Geraldine Ferraro said:
    If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.
    Senator Biden, now Obama's running mate, said:
    I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man.
    In addition, Senator Obama has faced false rumors that he was born in Kenya and that he is not Christian. Some argue that the spread of these rumors is motivated partially or entirely by racism.
  • Republicans have argued that Senator Obama is connected to problematic persons and organizations.
    • Roughly 40 years ago, now-professor Bill Ayers was a leading member of the militant Weather Underground Organization, which conducted a bombing campaign of targeting government buildings and financial institutions. Ayers first met Barack Obama through a non-profit reform project's board of directors, and later hosted a small informal event where a departing State Senator introduced Obama as her chosen successor. Through each of their active involvements in Chicago events and initiatives, they would serve on a couple of the same boards and panels in the years afterwards. There is virtually no evidence to support some Republican claims that Ayers was some sort of political adviser to Obama, who has referred to Ayers as "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8."
    • Senator Obama's pastor, Jeremiah Wright, has been the subject of controversy related to several sermon excerpts. The excerpts include claims that the government lied about its advance knowledge of Pearl Harbor, that the government lied about "inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color," and his comment that "America's chickens are coming home to roost," interpreted by some to be referring to the 9/11 attacks given the date of the sermon. President Obama addressed the issue in a broader speech on race in March of this year. Senator Obama stated:
      I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely—just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.
      ...
      I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother—a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe. These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.
    • Pro-labor NGO ACORN has been accused by Republicans of orchestrating voter fraud, though further investigation has revealed this claim to be overstated at best. ACORN has hired people in the past to assist in voter registration, and sometimes these workers have come up with phony registrations - however, this issue seems to be motivated by laziness of individual workers rather than an attempt to conduct voter fraud. Obama served as a local counsel for ACORN in the 90s, and was endorsed by the ACORN political action committee during the primary. The Obama campaign also hired an ACORN affiliate for get-out-the-vote efforts during the primary.
  • Representative John Lewis, a civil rights icon, has received blowback for comments he made regarding the tone of the McCain/Palin campaign. Lewis accused the campaign of "sowing the seeds of hatred and division," and brought up the example of George Wallace never throwing a bomb or firing a gun but creating "the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans." McCain called the comments "hurtful" and called on Senator Obama to repudiate the comments. The Obama campaign has said that the comparison made by Rep. Lewis was inappropriate.
  • Senator McCain describes himself as a "free trader" and has criticized Senator Obama for opposing some free trade agreements. The Obama team has pledged to "use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world and stand firm against agreements like the Central American Free Trade Agreement that fail to live up to those important benchmarks." Senator Obama has also pledged to "fix" NAFTA.
Debate Excerpts
First Presidential Debate (full transcript)
(1) Obama on government spending:
John, it's been your president who you said you agreed with 90 percent of the time who presided over this increase in spending. This orgy of spending and enormous deficits you voted for almost all of his budgets. So to stand here and after eight years and say that you're going to lead on controlling spending and, you know, balancing our tax cuts so that they help middle class families when over the last eight years that hasn't happened I think just is, you know, kind of hard to swallow.
(2) McCain on Iraq:
I think the lessons of Iraq are very clear that you cannot have a failed strategy that will then cause you to nearly lose a conflict. Our initial military success, we went in to Baghdad and everybody celebrated. And then the war was very badly mishandled. I went to Iraq in 2003 and came back and said, we've got to change this strategy. This strategy requires additional troops, it requires a fundamental change in strategy and I fought for it. And finally, we came up with a great general and a strategy that has succeeded.
(3) Obama on meeting foreign adversaries "without precondition":
I reserve the right, as president of the United States to meet with anybody at a time and place of my choosing if I think it's going to keep America safe ... Now, understand what this means "without preconditions." It doesn't mean that you invite them over for tea one day. What it means is that we don't do what we've been doing, which is to say, "Until you agree to do exactly what we say, we won't have direct contacts with you."
(4) McCain on Iran:
My reading of the threat from Iran is that if Iran acquires nuclear weapons, it is an existential threat to the State of Israel and to other countries in the region because the other countries in the region will feel compelling requirement to acquire nuclear weapons as well.
Now we cannot have a second Holocaust. Let's just make that very clear. What I have proposed for a long time, and I've had conversation with foreign leaders about forming a league of democracies, let's be clear and let's have some straight talk. The Russians are preventing significant action in the United Nations Security Council.
Vice-Presidential Debate (full transcript)
(1) Biden on what his administration would look like if a President Obama were to die in office:
God forbid that would ever happen, it would be a national tragedy of historic proportions if it were to happen.
But if it did, I would carry out Barack Obama's policy, his policies of reinstating the middle class, making sure they get a fair break, making sure they have access to affordable health insurance, making sure they get serious tax breaks, making sure we can help their children get to college, making sure there is an energy policy that leads us in the direction of not only toward independence and clean environment but an energy policy that creates 5 million new jobs, a foreign policy that ends this war in Iraq, a foreign policy that goes after the one mission the American public gave the president after 9/11, to get and capture or kill bin Laden and to eliminate al Qaeda. A policy that would in fact engage our allies in making sure that we knew we were acting on the same page and not dictating.
(2) Palin on what her administration would look like if a President McCain were to die in office:
And heaven forbid, yes, that would ever happen, no matter how this ends up, that that would ever happen with either party.
As for disagreeing with John McCain and how our administration would work, what do you expect? A team of mavericks, of course we're not going to agree on 100 percent of everything. As we discuss ANWR there, at least we can agree to disagree on that one. I will keep pushing him on ANWR. I have so appreciated he has never asked me to check my opinions at the door and he wants a deliberative debate and healthy debate so we can make good policy.
What I would do also, if that were to ever happen, though, is to continue the good work he is so committed to of putting government back on the side of the people and get rid of the greed and corruption on Wall Street and in Washington.
Second Presidential Debate (Town Hall) (full transcript)
(1) McCain on nuclear energy:
But we kept the debate going, and we kept this issue to -- to posing to Americans the danger that climate change opposes. Now, how -- what's -- what's the best way of fixing it? Nuclear power. Senator Obama says that it has to be safe or disposable or something like that. Look, I -- I was on Navy ships that had nuclear power plants. Nuclear power is safe, and it's clean, and it creates hundreds of thousands of jobs.
(2) Obama on McCain's criticism that he's being reckless on foreign policy:
Senator McCain, this is the guy who sang, "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran," who called for the annihilation of North Korea. That I don't think is an example of "speaking softly." This is the person who, after we had -- we hadn't even finished Afghanistan, where he said, "Next up, Baghdad."
(3) McCain on Russia:
I said before, watch Ukraine. Ukraine, right now, is in the sights of Vladimir Putin, those that want to reassemble the old Soviet Union. We've got to show moral support for Georgia.We've got to show moral support for Ukraine. We've got to advocate for their membership in NATO. We have to make the Russians understand that there are penalties for these this kind of behavior, this kind of naked aggression into Georgia, a tiny country and a tiny democracy.
(4) Obama on spending priorities:
You know, you may have seen your health care premiums go up. We've got to reform health care to help you and your budget. We are going to have to deal with energy because we can't keep on borrowing from the Chinese and sending money to Saudi Arabia. We are mortgaging our children's future. We've got to have a different energy plan. We've got to invest in college affordability. So we're going to have to make some investments, but we've also got to make spending cuts. And what I've proposed, you'll hear Senator McCain say, well, he's proposing a whole bunch of new spending, but actually I'm cutting more than I'm spending so that it will be a net spending cut.
Third Presidential Debate (full transcript)
(1) McCain on Obama's economic plans:
I don't think there's any doubt that Sen. Obama wants to restrict trade and he wants to raise taxes. And the last president of the United States that tried that was Herbert Hoover, and we went from a deep recession into a depression.
(2) Obama on comments by Congressman Lewis:
I mean, look, if we want to talk about Congressman Lewis, who is an American hero, he, unprompted by my campaign, without my campaign's awareness, made a statement that he was troubled with what he was hearing at some of the rallies that your running mate was holding, in which all the Republican reports indicated were shouting, when my name came up, things like "terrorist" and "kill him," and that your running mate didn't mention, didn't stop, didn't say "Hold on a second, that's kind of out of line."
(3) McCain on Obama's connections:
I don't care about an old washed-up terrorist [Bill Ayers]. But as Sen. Clinton said in her debates with you, we need to know the full extent of that relationship.
We need to know the full extent of Sen. Obama's relationship with ACORN, who is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy. The same front outfit organization that your campaign gave $832,000 for "lighting and site selection." So all of these things need to be examined, of course.
(4) Obama on who he associates with:
Let me tell you who I associate with. On economic policy, I associate with Warren Buffett and former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker. If I'm interested in figuring out my foreign policy, I associate myself with my running mate, Joe Biden or with Dick Lugar, the Republican ranking member on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, or General Jim Jones, the former supreme allied commander of NATO.
Those are the people, Democrats and Republicans, who have shaped my ideas and who will be surrounding me in the White House. And I think the fact that this has become such an important part of your campaign, Sen. McCain, says more about your campaign than it says about me.
Platforms
Read the full 2008 Republican platform here.
Read the full 2008 Democratic platform here.
Internet Resources
Obama/Biden Website
McCain/Palin Website
The GOP's BarackBook
The Obama Campaign's Fight the Smears
Videos
Debates
First Presidential Debate
Vice-Presidential Debate
Second Presidential Debate (Town Hall)
Third Presidential Debate
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Strawpoll
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2020.10.17 03:02 portlane Marian Carlson (July 11, 1920 - Sept. 21, 2020)

Marian Cobb Carlson
July 11, 1920 - Sept. 21, 2020
Marian Cobb Carlson, "Mumu," our beloved and venerated family matriarch, passed away peacefully beside her children at age 100, Sept. 21, 2020. Marian is one for the ages and leaves our family with an immense legacy. Beautiful and petite in stature, she was a person of towering personal qualities of intellect, integrity, grace, warmth, kindness, and complex spirituality. She was exceptional in conversation – eloquent, receptive, and a keen listener with lifelong curiosity and interest in others. Her family basked in her love and generosity and she had numerous lifelong friendships.
She was born July 11, 1920 and spent most of her life in Portland. From the age of 4 to 14, she lived in Merlin, Ore., where her father managed a large pear orchard and ranch. Throughout her life, Marian could recall many detailed memories of childhood years on "the ranch," including the introduction of electricity and telephone services, and her first glimpse of an airplane. A searing memory was witnessing the tragic death of her littlest brother who was hit by a car as they walked home from school. After returning to Portland, Marian graduated from Washington High School, receiving the Activity Cup for outstanding student in 1938. She attended Mills College in 1939, but because of financial constraints spent the next two years working as a phone company operator to pay for her future college education. Marian graduated from Oregon State University in 1944 in business and secretarial science, where she was a member of Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority and was elected to Mortar Board and the business honorary Phi Ki Theta. After graduating, Marian started her first career as executive assistant for renowned editor of the Oregon Journal, Marshall Dana, which included the culmination of WWII. Mr. Dana was an important mentor and lasting influence on Marian's inquisitive nature and political leanings. During WWII, Marian's life was moved considerably by the war experiences of her beloved brothers Bud and Bill Cobb who courageously survived combat and built wonderful families of their own that form her large extended family. In 1946 Marian married her husband of 58 years, Dr. Leroy O. Carlson, a Portland pediatrician who himself had a distinguished life and passed away in 2004. The newlyweds moved to Walla Walla, Wash., where Dr. Carlson established a regional medical practice. The couple was active in community affairs while raising four children: Cathryn, Richard, Carolyn, and Ken. The family moved back to Portland in 1961, where Marian could be closer to her large extended family and Dr. Carlson could pursue his passion in medical education, ultimately as a professor at Oregon Health and Science University. Marian volunteered considerable time at Lincoln High School before entering graduate studies at Portland State University and receiving a M.S. in business education in 1970. Throughout the next decade, Marian taught business and accounting in Portland public schools, including at Washington, Cleveland, and Wilson High Schools.
After her years as a teacher, Marian immersed herself in travel and her many interests. She traveled often to Europe, including accompanying Dr. Carlson on sabbaticals and visiting daughter Cathryn and family in England. Marian was a docent at the Portland Art Museum and a longtime supporter of the Portland Japanese Garden, the First Unitarian Church of Portland, and the philanthropic organization PEO. She was a master at gardening, and her gardens were always simply lovely. Marian was a voracious reader and book group enthusiast. She was a big fan of public broadcasting, followed politics closely, and never missed a vote. She adored chocolate and rarely refused an evening glass of chardonnay.
Marian is survived by her children, Cathryn McNaughton (Bruce McNaughton) of Oxford, England, Richard Carlson of Portland, Carolyn Carlson (Edward Dee) of Olympia, Wash., and Ken Carlson (Andrea Carlson) of Portland; grandchildren, Andrew McNaughton of Edinburgh, Scotland, Emily Pinching (David Pinching) of Oxford, England, Annie Carlson (Nate Fick) of Portland, Laura Carlson of Portland, Beth Carlson of Olympia, Sarah DeCamello of Olympia, and Nick Dee of Seattle; and six great-grandchildren; as well as many beloved relatives and friends.
A celebration with family and friends of Marian's life will be held at a future date to be determined. Remembrance donations in her name may be made to the Portland Japanese Garden, Oregon Public Broadcasting, or any charity of your choice.
Please sign the online guest book at www.oregonlive.com/obits
source: http://obits.oregonlive.com/obituaries/oregon/obituary.aspx?n=marian-cobb-carlson&pid=196956327
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2020.10.16 05:14 Banana_Republic_ A Hanging Man Said Hello to Me Today

The South has a peculiar history. Of course, anybody can say that about any section of the grand United States of America, but few places can really capture the feeling of rot and decay like the South, especially among its scattered remnants of once lively towns. You don't really know what it's like to see the wheels of time march unless you've stepped inside an old abandoned post office, it's wooden floor boards rotting, and, across the room, barely visible, is a picture of Grover Cleveland hanging on a wall, the words 'Our President' etched in rust along golden tapestries.
And few Southern ghost towns can compare to Alabama's. Perhaps it is bias, but I cannot help but feel a little giddy, understanding that within my home county are at least three abandoned towns that contain in them real history. I can still remember when my father, on a contract job, passed by a series of abandoned houses, and told me it was a 'Ghost Town.' I guess that, combined with a love for history, made me into an amateur anthropologist of sorts. Sure, I might not be published in the fancy journals, but I am more than knowledgeable on every ghost town from the Carolinas all the way to East Texas than any so called 'accredited' professor.
But, I suppose, that's irrelevant to the overall story, but I felt that it was necessary to give context. I like ghost towns. I like wandering in them. I like taking in their scents, their sights, their textures. Looking through old atlases and treading my way to where a once prosperous mining town laid is my hobby, for better or worse. Normally, nothing of note ever happens. I write about what I see, and place it up on a blog I run. Occasionally, I'm interviewed by some local news channel who had too slow of a news day to focus on something of state/local import, but that's all.
But this one, though. This one was a little different.
The town of Eagle's Skull was founded in 1821, when white settlers first started coming into the area. According to legends, it's name comes from a story of settlers discovering a large pile of eagle skulls in an old Indian camp. In reality, it's probably just a wives tale meant to terrify good little boys and girls to be fearful of Injuns. Regardless, it was built along a road leading to Mobile, a trade hub that popped up due to plantation owners needing rest when transporting such large quantities of goods.
Eagle's Skull was prosperous, and grew up to 300 citizens. Even the Civil War couldn't stop it, with most Union troops leaving its inhabitants free from harm - most likely due to the community's relative union sympathies. It was really around the 1880s when the town encountered troubles, as the newly created railways created by the ascended Bourbon Democrats eliminated the need for the town. But it didn't die overnight. Towns rarely do. Rot and decay are gradual processes, and just as a body takes weeks, and sometimes months, to fully decompose, a town can take decades to realize the futility in trying to maintain itself. Then it's just a matter of an inciting incident to kick the edifice down.
That inciting incident came, on August 11th, 1901, when a man was lynched in the town square. The reasons for this vary. One source claimed it was because the man, a preacher, had been found deflowering the daughters of some of the rougher denizens of Eagle's Skull. Another claimed it was a doctrinal disagreement that turned deadly for unknown reasons. The stated reasons, however, are not important. The lynching was the last act of a populace desperate to take its anger out on some figure. The preacher just so happened to be the best outlet for the anger.
But it ended in catastrophe. The Governor, William D. Jelks, an avowed white supremacist, was far from one to support lynchings of a member of his own race, especially of a preacher. The State Troopers were sent in, and arrested all citizens connected to the lynching, which just so happened to be the remnants of the Sherriff's office and most of the 'respectable' citizenry.
By the time a trial date was set, the damage had already been done. The Big Mules were far from willing to spend their money in a town like Eagle's Skull, but the violence against a member of the cloth was a step too far for even the most reactionary businessmen to handle. This left what little outside funding existed to dry up.
And so, Eagle's Skull was abandoned. It's post office was left to rot, it's town hall destroyed by the effects of weather and flooding in the region. Abandoned, Eagle's Skull is only known by its infamous lynching, a bullet point in a long list of lynchings that took place in the early 1900s.
And I went there. How could I resist? Move it to New England, and it's basically out of a Stephen King novel. Besides: I was a fifteen minute drive from the area, and, being a bored young adult in college, the only alternative was drinking. I'm a teetotaler, so Eagle's Skull was the only way to starve off the inevitable reality of non-existent stimuli.
I packed some essentials. A map, a compass, a printed off atlas to the area, basic stuff. And, of course, my revolver. Perhaps I am just paranoid, but I am far from willing to wander around in the backwoods of Alabama without packing something. I got in my car, and drove until I came to a little fork in the road. I pulled over and got out, stuffing the keys into my pocket right beside my phone.
I wandered around for a couple of minutes, only stopping occasionally to make sure I was going in the right direction. It was around one in the afternoon by the time I got to the remnants of a dirt road that seemed to go on. It was partially obscured by the overgrowth, but nature could only reclaim so much of what man took from her. I followed it, making sure to line it up along with the atlas.
After around twenty minutes, I stopped in the middle of what I presumed to be a town center, for lack of a better term. The dirt road zig-zagged here and there, traveling and ending near dilapidated buildings that, in spite of it all, had survived by the century since their abandonment. They ranged in size, some as small as outhouses, and some as big as an 18 wheeler. Still, they were made from wood, and no matter how elaborate and well made they were, time had not done the majority of them well.
Excepting, oddly enough, the church. It was rotting, with it's white paint peeling from the effects of sunlight and weather, but, by and large, it was intact. It was strange, but stranger things have happened. It's not out of the question, especially considering how important religion was to towns like these.
I explored for a while. Nothing of note, really. Rotten furniture in the old trading post, collecting together what remained of the saloon's liquor (drinking, despite what most people would assume, being far from the abandoned practice that many preachers of the time thought it was), and spent some time taking pictures of the exteriors. But I kept being attracted to the church. Aside from how intact it was, it was far from unusual.
Stepping inside, I was struck by how high it was. I have been in big churches before, but something about the height from the bottom to the top made me feel small, like an insect. Perhaps, that was the intention, to be worthless compared to the endless glory of God. But I had the feeling this was not the intention, if there was any to begin with.
I then noticed how neat the rows were. Sure, garbage and dust seemed to collect inside the aisles, but the rows were lined so neatly. They didn't look moved, or, if they had, not recently. The holders for the Bibles were empty, and the seats were covered with a thick layer of dust.
And in the front was the dias. I could almost see the preacher, his voice bellowing and echoing off the sides of the wooden building, its voice decrying everything and anything that could conceivably be against God's will. It sent a chill running up my spin for some reason. Perhaps it is because I, myself, am not a religious person, or perhaps it was because of the situation. Regardless, the thought of a preacher screaming his lungs out at me, in the middle of nowhere, my only companion being a revolver stuffed into my back pocket, disturbed me.
It was then that I heard a noise. It wasn't a loud one, or even a particularly noticeable one. The only reason I picked up on it is probably because of how aware I was at that particular moment. It was a moan. It wasn't those over the top moans they have in cartoons or anything, but it was just this low, guttural moan that seemed to be there for a moment and then gone the next. The only reason I can describe, and the only reason I know it happened, is because I heard it echo ever so faintly against the wooden boards in the church.
At this point, I began to back up from the dias, and turned around. The rational part of my mind was berating me for being a moron, and tried to explain it as my mind inventing sounds from the quiet environment out of a desire to hear something. But my body rejected that, and instead began walk-running out and only stopped when I was sure that I was safely out of the building.
At this point, it's five o'clock. The sun was beginning to set on the horizon, and I knew that I didn't want to wander around in the dark, especially after the church. And so, I began to walk.
That was, until I saw something hanging on one of the decaying lamp posts that dotted the streets.
To describe what I felt at that exact moment as 'terror' would be undervaluing how much fear coursed through my body in the seconds between exiting the church and me seeing the hanging thing. If I hadn't gone to the bathroom earlier, I am sure I would have pissed myself. I felt my internal body temperature drop by a couple dozen degrees, and my knees seemed to quake as I stood there. It only took a couple additional seconds for me to realize that it was a figure, swaying ever so gently in the breeze of the late afternoon sun.
Under normal circumstances, I would have grabbed my revolver and aimed it at the figure. I would have known immediately that it was an attempt to mess with me, or some man was trying to scare me into doing something stupid. But I did nothing. The fear racked my body like a cancer, paralyzing me in place.
And so, I stared at it, for what felt like hours. In reality, it was probably only a couple of seconds, but in that time, I got a good look at it's body. It seemed rotten, decaying, it's flesh a seared and blackened parody of a human being. It was thin as a rail, as if all the liquid inside of it had been squeezed out.
But the worst part was the face. It had tiny little eyes, and while I couldn't make eye contact, I felt, deep in my bones, that it was staring at me. It's nose drooped downwards, it's skin a sallow rotten flesh. And I knew, I fucking knew, that if I could open it's mouth, a collection of razor sharp teeth would greet me.
It was then that I saw it raise its head, and look directly towards me. In the silence of the setting sun, I could hear a croaking gurgle of a sound escape its mouth.
"Hello," it said, raising a hand and waving it, back and forth, the sound of flesh ripping piercing into my ears.
And so I ran. I ran and ran and ran until I reached my car, some part of me knowing, without a shadow of a doubt, that if I turned around, I would see it's face, upturned into a grin, a rope around its neck and slinging like some necklace, and that it would grab me and chew down on me.
But when I got to my car, and I got in, I looked back and saw nothing. I didn't look back for long, though, because I jabbed the keys into the ignition, and floored it.
It took me a couple of hours to even process what I saw. It took even longer for me to put it into words. I don't know if I'm crazy, or if someone was pulling a prank on me, or some other explanation, but I can't help but feel that I saw something there, something real and something that, if I wanted to, could touch.
At the very least, I can scratch Eagle's Skull off as a place I can visit again. I don't think I could step foot there if the possibility of encountering that....that thing again was anything but zero.
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2020.10.14 22:51 NRA4eva Week 6 Tank Guide - Who To Root For

Hello Jets fans! New York football got you down? Feel like you have nothing to cheer for? Well that's fucking bullshit. Because Trevor Lawrence was literally sent by the Gods to rescue the New York Football Jets. But the gods won't just give away the best prospect since Andrew Luck. The Jets have to earn TLaw, which means we should direct our energy towards rooting for results that optimize the Jets chances of securing the first overall pick. You may think a tank simply means we root for the Jets to lose, but you couldn't be more wrong. In the event of a tie, the NFL uses Strength of Schedule (SOS) to determine who gets the higher pick. In other words, we have a rooting interest in virtually every game all year.
According to Football Outsiders the Jets have a 27.6% chance at the first overall pick -- That's 10 percentage points better than our closest competition! See below:
Team Top Pick Top 5 Pick
NYJ 27.6% 72.8%
NYG 17.0% 58.4%
ATL 11.4% 50.2%
WAS 11.5% 49.0%
JAX 6.6% 39.3%
DEN 5.9% 37.1%
CIN 4.5% 33.0%
LAC 3.2% 23.1%
That is exciting, but it also means there's a 72.4% chance we don't get that first pick. So who should we root for to get that percentage up to 100%? This is your guide.
Obviously, we want the teams on the above table to win games. But we also want them to have a tougher SOS than we do. So we want the teams they play to win games, particularly if we don’t play them. For example, the Giants are arguably the biggest threat to the tank. Both the Jets and Giants play the NFC West this year, but the Giants play the NFC East (of course) and the AFC North. The only team from the AFC North the Jets play are the Browns. Therefore, it is in our interest to root for the Steelers, Ravens, and Bengals, Cowboys, Washington, and Philly (in addition the Giants, of course).
Of course, the Giants aren’t our only competition for the first pick which makes things messy. Also, this is a fluid situation -- the teams we want to get a win will likely change week to week. Still, we can take what we know now to determine what week 6 results best serve the tank.
Without further ado, here are the games listed in order of importance to the tank, who to root for, and my personal Tank Gradetm for each result.
Week 6
New York Jets at Miami Dolphins -- Root for the Dolphins in this one. Duh.
Go Dolphins!! (10/10 Tank Grade)
Washington Football Team at New York Giants -- Both teams represent significant threats to our tank. But as of right now, no team is a bigger threat than the New York Giants. It may pain you to do so, but root for the Gmen to get their first win of the season.
Go Giants!! (9/10)
Atlanta Falcons at Minnesota Vikings -- We need the Falcons to get their first win of the season here. I don’t really buy Atlanta as a contender for the first overall pick but 0-5 is 0-5 and Football Outsiders has them as the third most likely team to get 1.01 with an 11.4% chance.
Go Falcons!! (9/10)
Detroit Lions at Jacksonville Jaguars - A good example of how this situation is fluid. Both of these teams only have one win, but Football Outsiders has Jacksonville as the bigger threat to the first pick. Let’s pull for a Jaguars win here. We can root for the Lions at a later date.
Go Jags!! (8/10)
Denver Broncos at New England Patriots - This one is easy -- the Patriots have a big impact on our SOS, and SOS supersedes head to head matchups as a tiebreaker for NFL draft slot, so we should still consider Denver a threat until they’ve gotten a few wins.
Go Broncos!! (8/10)
Houston Texans at Tennessee Titans -- Houston already has their franchise QB, but Dolphins own Houston’s first round pick, and while I don’t buy Houston as a real contender for the first overall pick, I rather the one win teams put some separation between us and them.
Go Texans!! (7/10)
Cincinnati Bengals at Indianapolis Colts -- The Bengals are 1-3-1 and while they might be the only team that could get the first pick that wouldn’t draft TLaw, it simplifies things to just get the first pick ourselves. Also, they play NYG and WFT later in the season, while we played the Colts. A win from the Bengals would improve the Giants and WFT SOS, while a Colts loss weakens ours.
Go Bengals!! (6/10)
Arizona Cardinals at Dallas Cowboys - Dallas is 2-3, and an opponent for our three biggest threats. We’re gonna want them to get wins ASAP, especially when they play an opponent that impacts out SOS.
Go Cowboys!! (6/10)
Baltimore Ravens at Philadelphia Eagles -- The Eagles are another example of a team with only 1 win, and generally speaking we want the NFC East to get wins to improve the SOS of the giants and washington. I wouldn’t get my hopes up, but an Eagles win is preferable for the tank.
Go Eagles!! (5/10)
Cleveland Browns at Pittsburgh Steelers
Neither team is a real threat to 1.01 so this is a SOS game. We play the Browns, and we don’t play the Steelers. Steelers do play the Giants, WFT and Jaguars.
Go Steelers!! (4/10)
Kansas City Chiefs at Buffalo Bills -- We play the Bills twice and KC once, so a Bills victory impacts our SOS more than a KC victory. Plus none of the big threats to our tank play the Bills so we get to root against the Bills with peace of mind.. Enjoy.
Go Chiefs!! (4/10)
Chicago Bears at Carolina Panthers -- Once upon a time, the Panthers were considered among the favorites for the first pick. But they’re 3-2 and the Bears are 4-1. The Bears impact the SOS of the Falcons, Giants, WFT, and Jaguars -- the four biggest threats to our tank.
Go Bears!! (4/10)
Green Bay Packers at Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- The Falcons and Jaguars both play the Packers, but the Falcons play the Bucs twice so this game doesn’t have much of an impact on our tank. Need a tiebreaker? Fuck Tom Brady.
Go Pack Go!! (2/10)
Los Angeles Rams at San Francisco 49ers -- The Jets, Giants, and WFT all play both of these teams once, while the Jags and Falcons don’t play either. The most irrelevant game to the tank on the slate. As a tiebreaker, the 49ers might be interested in trading a pick for Sam Darnold if they feel like Jimmy G can’t get it done. Let’s root for the Rams.
Go Rams!! (1/10)
There you have it. Root for the above results and we'll be that much closer to Trevor Lawrence. Good night and good luck.
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2020.10.13 17:12 kflapp General info of Columbus from my POV

EDIT: feel free to DM me with any questions about this list or Columbus, I'd be happy to answer. Also, if you have places to add, feel free in the comments.
I'm a Columbus native, chef, etc.
Often on this sub I see posts asking various questions on where to get things, what to get, best restaurants and stuff like that.
On most of those posts, people say a lot of similar answers, so I've decided to compile a list of my favorite, less common places and why, from upscale dining to gas stations, just in hopes that some of you get inspired to go try something new if you haven't. Please don't take this as me trying to flex or act cool and interesting, I'm just dropping some of my experiences in the city I love, so that others who are new or old here can experience them too.

HONORABLE MENTIONS:

none of these are technically IN Columbus but they're within Ohio so here we go
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2020.10.13 02:55 John_Charles_Fremont /r/neoliberal elects the American Presidents - Part 53, Bush v Kerry in 2004

Previous editions:
(All strawpoll results counted as of the next post made)
Part 1, Adams v Jefferson in 1796 - Adams wins with 68% of the vote
Part 2, Adams v Jefferson in 1800 - Jefferson wins with 58% of the vote
Part 3, Jefferson v Pinckney in 1804 - Jefferson wins with 57% of the vote
Part 4, Madison v Pinckney (with George Clinton protest) in 1808 - Pinckney wins with 45% of the vote
Part 5, Madison v (DeWitt) Clinton in 1812 - Clinton wins with 80% of the vote
Part 6, Monroe v King in 1816 - Monroe wins with 51% of the vote
Part 7, Monroe and an Era of Meta Feelings in 1820 - Monroe wins with 100% of the vote
Part 8, Democratic-Republican Thunderdome in 1824 - Adams wins with 55% of the vote
Part 9, Adams v Jackson in 1828 - Adams wins with 94% of the vote
Part 10, Jackson v Clay (v Wirt) in 1832 - Clay wins with 53% of the vote
Part 11, Van Buren v The Whigs in 1836 - Whigs win with 87% of the vote, Webster elected
Part 12, Van Buren v Harrison in 1840 - Harrison wins with 90% of the vote
Part 13, Polk v Clay in 1844 - Polk wins with 59% of the vote
Part 14, Taylor v Cass in 1848 - Taylor wins with 44% of the vote (see special rules)
Part 15, Pierce v Scott in 1852 - Scott wins with 78% of the vote
Part 16, Buchanan v Frémont v Fillmore in 1856 - Frémont wins with 95% of the vote
Part 17, Peculiar Thunderdome in 1860 - Lincoln wins with 90% of the vote.
Part 18, Lincoln v McClellan in 1864 - Lincoln wins with 97% of the vote.
Part 19, Grant v Seymour in 1868 - Grant wins with 97% of the vote.
Part 20, Grant v Greeley in 1872 - Grant wins with 96% of the vote.
Part 21, Hayes v Tilden in 1876 - Hayes wins with 87% of the vote.
Part 22, Garfield v Hancock in 1880 - Garfield wins with 67% of the vote.
Part 23, Cleveland v Blaine in 1884 - Cleveland wins with 53% of the vote.
Part 24, Cleveland v Harrison in 1888 - Harrison wins with 64% of the vote.
Part 25, Cleveland v Harrison v Weaver in 1892 - Harrison wins with 57% of the vote
Part 26, McKinley v Bryan in 1896 - McKinley wins with 71% of the vote
Part 27, McKinley v Bryan in 1900 - Bryan wins with 55% of the vote
Part 28, Roosevelt v Parker in 1904 - Roosevelt wins with 71% of the vote
Part 29, Taft v Bryan in 1908 - Taft wins with 64% of the vote
Part 30, Taft v Wilson v Roosevelt in 1912 - Roosevelt wins with 81% of the vote
Part 31, Wilson v Hughes in 1916 - Hughes wins with 62% of the vote
Part 32, Harding v Cox in 1920 - Cox wins with 68% of the vote
Part 33, Coolidge v Davis v La Follette in 1924 - Davis wins with 47% of the vote
Part 34, Hoover v Smith in 1928 - Hoover wins with 50.2% of the vote
Part 35, Hoover v Roosevelt in 1932 - Roosevelt wins with 85% of the vote
Part 36, Landon v Roosevelt in 1936 - Roosevelt wins with 75% of the vote
Part 37, Willkie v Roosevelt in 1940 - Roosevelt wins with 56% of the vote
Part 38, Dewey v Roosevelt in 1944 - Dewey wins with 50.2% of the vote
Part 39, Dewey v Truman in 1948 - Truman wins with 65% of the vote
Part 40, Eisenhower v Stevenson in 1952 - Eisenhower wins with 69% of the vote
Part 41, Eisenhower v Stevenson in 1956 - Eisenhower wins with 60% of the vote
Part 42, Kennedy v Nixon in 1960 - Kennedy wins with 63% of the vote
Part 43, Johnson v Goldwater in 1964 - Johnson wins with 87% of the vote
Part 44, Nixon v Humphrey in 1968 - Humphrey wins with 60% of the vote
Part 45, Nixon v McGovern in 1972 - Nixon wins with 56% of the vote
Part 46, Carter v Ford in 1976 - Carter wins with 71% of the vote
Part 47 - Carter v Reagan v Anderson in 1980 - Carter wins with 44% of the vote
Part 48, Reagan v Mondale in 1984 - Mondale wins with 55% of the vote
Part 49, Bush v Dukakis in 1988 - Bush wins with 54% of the vote
Part 50, Bush v Clinton v Perot in 1992 - Clinton wins with 71% of the vote
Part 51, Clinton v Dole in 1996 - Clinton wins with 91% of the vote
Part 52, Bush v Gore in 2000 - Gore wins with 88% of the vote
Welcome back to the fifty-third edition of /neoliberal elects the American presidents!
This will be a fairly consistent weekly thing - every week, a new election, until we run out.
I highly encourage you - at least in terms of the vote you cast - to try to think from the perspective of the year the election was held, without knowing the future or how the next administration would go. I'm not going to be trying to enforce that, but feel free to remind fellow commenters of this distinction.
If you're really feeling hardcore, feel free to even speak in the present tense as if the election is truly upcoming!
Whether third and fourth candidates are considered "major" enough to include in the strawpoll will be largely at my discretion and depend on things like whether they were actually intending to run for President, and whether they wound up actually pulling in a meaningful amount of the popular vote and even electoral votes. I may also invoke special rules in how the results will be interpreted in certain elections to better approximate historical reality.
While I will always give some brief background info to spur the discussion, please don't hesitate to bring your own research and knowledge into the mix! There's no way I'll cover everything!
George Bush v John Kerry, 2004
Profiles
  • George Bush is the 58-year-old Republican candidate and the current President. His running mate is Vice President Dick Cheney.
  • John Kerry is the 61-year-old Democratic candidate and a US Senator from Massachusetts. His running mate is US Senator from North Carolina John Edwards.
Issues and Background
  • One thing both President Bush and Senator Kerry agree on is that on September 11th, 2001, everything changed. On that date, the United States was attacked by the transnational Salafist terrorist organization known as Al-Qaeda. Nineteen terrorists hijacked four passenger airlines. Two planes were flown into the World Trade Center complex, causing the collapse of the North and South towers. Another plane was flown into the Pentagon. The fourth plane did not reach its intended target, with the hijackers thwarted by the plane's passengers - the plane instead crashed into a field in Pennsylvania. Nearly 3,000 people died in the attacks.
    • One week after the attacks, letters containing toxic anthrax spores were sent over several weeks to media outlets and politicians. Initial speculation including from top government officials suggested the letters may have somehow been connected to Al Qaeda or Iraq, but recent publicly known developments suggest the perpetrator may have been an American connected to the intelligence community.
    • The Bush Administration has taken a number of military actions internationally since the attacks as part of a global "war on terror." The most significant operations are given their own summaries in later bullet points.
    • The leader of Al-Qaeda is Osama bin Laden, and there is an ongoing manhunt for him. Senator Kerry claims that the United States had Osama bin Laden pinned down in Tora Bora but that President Bush outsourced the manhunt to Afghan warlords, and that this is why the terrorist leader was able to escape. This characterization is disputed by President Bush and by General Tommy Franks, who was in charge of US forces in Afghanistan at the time. Just days before the election, a new 17 minute video message from Osama Bin Laden has emerged.
    • On October 26, 2001, President Bush signed the Patriot Act. This legislation expands the ability of law enforcement to monitor phone calls and conduct other surveillance, allows greater pooling of intelligence resources across agencies, and expanded the types of crimes considered "terrorism" as well as the penalties for being found guilty of terrorism. Senator Kerry supports the legislation but has suggested it be amended to be stronger against money laundering and possibly increasing oversight of government surveillance powers. Kerry also says he doesn't like the way the current Attorney General has sometimes applied the legislation.
    • In late 2002, President Bush signed legislation creating a Department of Homeland Security.
  • In October 2001, following a failure to come to an agreement with the Taliban regarding the extradition of Osama Bin Laden, the United States invaded Afghanistan. By December, the United States had overthrown the Taliban regime and begun a rebuilding effort in the nation. Since then, and especially since 2003, the United States has fought the Taliban insurgency which formed from the remnants of the Taliban regime. In October of this year, Afghanistan held national elections, which President Bush has touted as a major success. Senator Kerry has described Afghanistan as the "right" war (in contrast with Iraq as the "wrong" war) and seeks to increase the number of American and allied troops in the country.
  • Starting in 2002, the United States began making the case to the country and to the international community for an invasion of Iraq. In October of that year, Congress passed an authorization of force against Iraq should it be considered necessary by the President. The authorization cited interference with weapons inspectors, domestic repression, the possession and development of chemical and biological weapons capabilities, seeking of nuclear weapons capability, and the presence of Al-Qaeda members in Iraq among other justifications.
    In February 2003, Secretary of State Colin Powell presented evidence to the United Nations, arguing that Iraq did possess weapons of mass destruction and was attempting to conceal this fact. He also attempted to link Iraq and Al-Qaeda, primarily through Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi. A month later, the United States announced to the world that diplomacy had failed, and proceeded to invade Iraq alongside the United Kingdom, Australia, and Poland. In April, Baghdad fell, and Saddam Hussein's reign of power ended.
    In May 2003, President Bush announced the end of major combat operations in Iraq in front of a banner reading "Mission Accomplished." What has proceeded since has been an occupation of Iraq which has dealt with a number of challenges. The United States set up a provisional government headed by an American diplomat. This provisional government dissolved the Iraqi military. Unemployment skyrocketed and many government services ended. The United States has since then had to combat an insurgency comprised of former members of the Iraqi military, surviving loyalists to Saddam Hussein, and religious militants. In June of this year, the US and its allies transferred power to a new Iraqi government led by Ayad Allawi.
    • In April of this year, CBS revealed evidence of egregious human rights violations being committed by US Army and CIA personnel against detainees in a prison in Iraq.
    • Just recently, the Iraq Survey Group submitted a final report concluding that Saddam Hussein's Iraq had no chemical weapons, no biological weapons, and no capacity to make nuclear weapons. President Bush's response to the report was as follows:
      Chief weapons inspector, Charles Duelfer, has now issued a comprehensive report that confirms the earlier conclusion of David Kay that Iraq did not have the weapons that our intelligence believed were there. ... The Duelfer report showed that Saddam was systematically gaming the system, using the U.N. oil-for-food program to try to influence countries and companies in an effort to undermine sanctions. He was doing so with the intent of restarting his weapons program, once the world looked away. Based on all the information we have today, I believe we were right to take action, and America is safer today with Saddam Hussein in prison.
    • Republicans have accused Senator Kerry of "flip-flopping" on Iraq, because he voted for the authorization of force there and called Hussein a grave threat, but this year has been very critical of the intervention. He has attempted to reconcile the issue:
      Well, let me tell you straight up, I've never changed my mind about Iraq. I do believe Saddam Hussein was a threat. I always believed he was a threat—believed it in 1998 when Clinton was President. I wanted to give Clinton the power to use force if necessary. But I would have used that force wisely. I would have used that authority wisely, not rushed to war without a plan to win the peace. I would have brought our allies to our side. I would have fought to make certain our troops had everybody possible to help them win the mission.
    • Senator Kerry's plan for Iraq is to use international diplomacy to shift the burden of the rebuilding effort away from the US during his first term. He has said it is possible that by the end of his first term, most of the foreign troops in Iraq would come from countries other than the US. He plans to solicit more international help in Iraq by granting the international community greater access to reconstruction contracts and greater say in the development of a permanent Iraqi government.
  • President Bush has signed into law two rounds of tax cuts. The first bill, in 2001, cut federal income tax breaks for several brackets, cut capital gains taxes, and began a phaseout of the estate tax. The second bill in 2003 lowered rates further. Senator Kerry intends to repeal the Bush tax cuts but only for those making over $200,000 a year.
  • In the 1960s, John Kerry served a four-month tour of duty during the Vietnam War, receiving several medals including three Purple Hearts. He first gained some national recognition as an anti-war activist upon returning, through his involvement with Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Returning to the present, a political group "Swift Vets and POWs for Truth" has formed to oppose Senator Kerry's presidential candidacy. The group claims that Kerry has exaggerated some claims about his service and hurt his fellow servicemen by opposing the war upon return to the US. The group has gone so far as to say he is "unfit to serve" as President. The group has released several television advertisements and a book. As time has gone on, the claims against Kerry have come under serious scrutiny, with some evidence (1) (2) (3) suggesting the attacks on Kerry are unfair or misleading.
  • At the end of last year, President Bush signed into law a major overhaul of Medicare. Perhaps most significantly, a new prescription drug benefit for Medicare beneficiaries will go into effect in 2006. Senator Kerry has attacked President Bush for blocking attempts to allow the importation or at least reimportation of drugs from Canada.
  • In 2002, President Bush signed the No Child Left Behind Act. The main provisions of the legislation mandate an expansion of standardized testing at the state level for public schools receiving federal funds. Further provisions and prescribed corrective action in the legislation depend on a school's ability to consistently improve standardized test scores. Senator Kerry supported the legislation but has criticized the President for not fully funding the associated programs.
  • Embryonic stem cells, coming from human embryos that are about 3-5 days old, are special cells which can divide to form the more specialized cells that are associated with a fully functioning human body. Scientists speak highly of the promise that research on these cells holds, and the potential treatments that could come from such research. However, many conservatives object partially or entirely to embryonic stem cell research because it typically involves the destruction of a human embryo. In 2001, President Bush issued an executive order only allowing federal funds for such research on colonies of stem cells which already existed when the policy was announced. The Bush Administration has argued this is a policy which compromises between ethics and the scientific value of the research. Senator Kerry wants to lift this partial ban.
  • In May of this year, Massachusetts became the first US state to license and recognize same-sex marriages, following a relevant court decision in 2003. John Kerry and George Bush both say they believe marriage is between one man and one woman. However, President Bush supports a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, which Senator Kerry does not. Kerry also voted against the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act.
  • As an exemplification of what they argue is the broader issue of Kerry's alleged "flip-flopping," President Bush and other members of his campaign have repeatedly referred to a quote from Senator Kerry in March, in which he said of a military supplemental appropriations bill, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." Kerry has since said he regrets his phrasing.
Debate Excerpts
Quotations in excerpt titles refer to moderator's prompt, block quotations are from named candidate(s).
First Presidential Debate (full transcript)
(1) Bush on Iraq:
My opponent looked at the same intelligence I looked at and declared, in 2002, that Saddam Hussein was a grave threat. He also said, in December of 2003, that anyone who doubts that the world is safer without Saddam Hussein does not have the judgment to be President. I agree with him. The world is better off without Saddam Hussein.
(2) Kerry on Iraq:
The President just talked about Iraq as a center of the war on terror. Iraq was not even close to the center of the war on terror before the President invaded it. The President made the judgment to divert forces from under General Tommy Franks from Afghanistan before the Congress even approved it, to begin to prepare to go to war in Iraq. And he rushed to war in Iraq without a plan to win the peace.
(3) Bush on homeland security:
But the best way to protect this homeland is to stay on the offense. We have to be right 100 percent of the time, and the enemy only has to be right once to hurt us. There's a lot of good people working hard. And by the way, we've also changed the culture of the FBI to have counterterrorism as its number one priority. We're communicating better. We're going to reform our intelligence services to make sure that we get the best intelligence possible. The PATRIOT Act is vital. It's vital that the Congress renew the PATRIOT Act, which enables our law enforcement to disrupt terrorist cells.
(4) Kerry on the coalition in Iraq:
The United Nations' Kofi Annan offered help after Baghdad fell. And we never picked him up on that and did what was necessary to transfer authority and to transfer reconstruction. It was always American-run. Secondly, when we went in, there were three countries, Great Britain, Australia, and the United States. That's not a grand coalition. We can do better.
(5) Bush on the coalition in Iraq:
Well, actually, he forgot Poland. And now, there are 30 nations involved, standing side by side with our American troops, and I honor their sacrifices. And I don't appreciate it when a candidate for President denigrates the contributions of these brave—brave soldiers. It's—you cannot lead the world if you do not honor the contributions of those who are with us. He called them the "coerced and the bribed." That's not how you bring people together. Our coalition is strong. It will remain strong, for my—so long as I'm the President.
(6) Kerry on whether President Bush lied:
First of all, we all know that in his State of the Union Message he told Congress about nuclear materials that didn't exist. We know that he promised America that he was going to build this coalition. I just described the coalition. It is not the kind of coalition we were described when we were talking about voting for this. The President said he would exhaust the remedies of the United Nations and go through that full process. He didn't. He cut it off, sort of arbitrarily. And we know that there were further diplomatics—efforts underway. They just decided the time for diplomacy is over and rushed to war without planning for what happens afterwards. Now, he misled the American people in his speech when he said, "We will plan carefully." They obviously didn't. He misled the American people when he said, "We'd go to war as a last resort." We did not go as a last resort. And most Americans know the difference.
Vice-Presidential Debate (full transcript)
(1) Cheney on the connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda:
Concern about Iraq specifically focused on the fact that Saddam Hussein had been, for years, listed on the state sponsor of terror, that they he had established relationships with Abu Nidal, who operated out of Baghdad; he paid $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers; and he had an established relationship with Al Qaida. Specifically, look at George Tenet, the CIA director's testimony before the Committee on Foreign Relations two years ago when he talked about a 10-year relationship.
The effort that we've mounted with respect to Iraq focused specifically on the possibility that this was the most likely nexus between the terrorists and weapons of mass destruction.
(2) Edwards on Iraq:
The vice president suggests that we have the same number of countries involved now that we had in the first Gulf War. The first Gulf War cost the American people $5 billion.
And regardless of what the vice president says, we're at $200 billion and counting. Not only that, 90 percent of the coalition casualties, Mr. Vice President, the coalition casualties, are American casualties. Ninety percent of the cost of this effort are being borne by American taxpayers. It is the direct result of the failures of this administration.
(3) Cheney on Edwards:
Your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you "Senator Gone." You've got one of the worst attendance records in the United States Senate. Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in session.
The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight.
(4) Edwards on Cheney:
The vice president, I'm surprised to hear him talk about records. When he was one of 435 members of the United States House, he was one of 10 to vote against Head Start, one of four to vote against banning plastic weapons that can pass through metal detectors.
He voted against the Department of Education. He voted against funding for Meals on Wheels for seniors. He voted against a holiday for Martin Luther King. He voted against a resolution calling for the release of Nelson Mandela in South Africa.
Second Presidential Debate (Town Hall) (full transcript)
(1) Bush on government spending:
We have a deficit. We have a deficit because this country went into a recession. You might remember the stock market started to decline dramatically 6 months before I came to office, and then the bubble of the 1990s popped. And that cost us rev-enue—that cost us revenue.
Secondly, we're at war. And I'm going to spend what it takes to win the war, more than just 120 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan. We've got to pay our troops more. We have. We've increased money for ammunition and weapons and pay and homeland security. I just told this lady over here we spent—went from 10 to 30 billion dollars to protect the homeland. I think we have an obligation to spend that kind of money.
(2) Kerry on taxes:
Right into the camera—yes. I am not going to raise taxes. I have a tax cut, and here's my tax cut. I raise the child care credit by $1,000 for families to help them be able to take care of their kids. I have a $4,000 tuition tax credit that goes to parents and kids, if they're earning for themselves, to be able to pay for college. And I lower the cost of health care in the way that I described to you.
(3) Bush on health care:
Let me start with how to control the costs of health care: Medical liability reform, for starters, which he's opposed. Secondly, allow small businesses to pool together so they can share risk and buy insurance at the same discounts big businesses get to do. Thirdly, spread what's called health savings accounts. It's good for small businesses, good for owners. You own your own account. You can save tax-free. You get a catastrophic plan to help you— own it. This is different from saying, "Okay, let me incent you to go on the Government."
(4) Kerry on abortion restrictions:
Well, again, the President just said categorically, "My opponent is against this. My opponent is against that." It's just not that simple. No, I'm not. I'm against the partial-birth abortion, but you've got to have an exception for the life of the mother and the health of the mother under the strictest test of bodily injury to the mother. Secondly, with respect to parental notification, I'm not going to require a 16- or 17-year old kid who's been raped by her father and who's pregnant to have to notify her father. So you've got to have a judicial intervention. And because they didn't have a judicial intervention where she could go somewhere and get help, I voted against it. It's never quite as simple as the President wants you to believe.
Third Presidential Debate (full transcript)
(1) Bush on the flu vaccine shortage:
Bob, we relied upon a company out of England to provide about half of the flu vaccines for the United States citizen, and it turned out that the vaccine they were producing was contaminated. And so we took the right action and didn't allow contaminated medicine into our country. We're working with Canada to, hopefully—that they'll produce a—help us realize the vaccine necessary to make sure our citizens have got flu vaccinations during this upcoming season.
My call to our fellow Americans is, if you're healthy, if you're younger, don't get a flu shot this year. Help us prioritize those who need to get the flu shot, the elderly and the young. The CDC, responsible for health in the United States, is setting those priorities and is allocating the flu vaccine accordingly. I haven't gotten a flu shot, and I don't intend to, because I want to make sure that those who are most vulnerable get treated.
(2) Kerry on whether homosexuality is a choice:
We're all God's children, Bob, and I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was. She's being who she was born as. I think if you talk to anybody, it's not choice. I've met people who've struggled with this for years, people who were in a marriage because they were living a sort of convention, and they struggled with it. And I've met wives who are supportive of their husbands, or vice versa, when they finally sort of broke out and allowed themselves to live who they were, who they felt God had made them. I think we have to respect that.
(3) Bush on Social Security:
I believe that younger workers ought to be allowed to take some of their own money and put it in a personal savings account, because I understand that they need to get better rates of return than the rates of return being given in the current Social Security trust. And the compounding rate of interest effect will make it more likely that the Social Security system is solvent for our children and our grandchildren.
(4) Kerry on assault weapons:
I believe it was a failure of Presidential leadership not to reauthorize the assault weapons ban. I am a hunter. I'm a gun owner. I've been a hunter since I was a kid, 12, 13 years old. And I respect the second amendment, and I will not tamper with the second amendment. But I'll tell you this. I'm also a former law enforcement officer. I ran one of the largest district attorney offices in America, one of the 10 largest. I've put people behind bars for the rest of their life. I've broken up organized crime. I know something about prosecuting. And most of the law enforcement agencies in America wanted that assault weapons ban. They don't want to go into a drug bust and be facing an AK-47.
Platforms
Read the full 2004 Republican platform here.
Read the full 2004 Democratic platform here.
Internet Resources
Kerry/Edwards Website
Bush/Cheney Website (I can't seem to get a working WebArchive link for this one, feel free to send me one if you find one, should be georgewbush.com)
Videos
Debates
First Presidential Debate
Vice-Presidential Debate
Second Presidential Debate (Town Hall)
Third Presidential Debate
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2020.10.12 15:39 pepperpavlov 1989 and 2019 compared

I know lots of us have the experience of a well-meaning older person suggesting names like "Heather" or "Erica" for our little ones, without understanding why those names might be unappealing to Millennials. So with that in mind, I put together some lists.
Here are the names that appear in 2019 top 100, but not at all on the 1989 top 1000 -- that is, the modern common names that might sound the most unusual to an older person who hasn't been exposed to contemporary name trends, and the most likely to be mistaken for "unique" by a non-name nerd.
Boys Girls
Aiden Aaliyah
Asher Addison
Declan Adeline
Easton Aria
Greyson Arya
Hudson Bella
Jaxon Brooklyn
Jaxson Camila
Jayden Delilah
Kayden Eliana
Luca Ella
Mateo Ellie
Maverick Emery
Emilia
Everly
Harper
Hazel
Isabella
Isla
Kennedy
Kinsley
Layla
Luna
Nevaeh
Nova
Mila
Paisley
Penelope
Peyton
Piper
Quinn
Riley
Rylee
Scarlett
Serenity
Skylar
Stella
Valentina
Violet
Willow
Zoey
The following names were in the top 100 in both years, that is, the names that both a modern name nerd/parent and an older non-name nerd might both agree are "classic."
Boys Girls
Aaron Abigail
Adam Allison
Adrian Anna
Alexander Elizabeth
Andrew Emily
Anthony Hannah
Austin Julia
Benjamin Leah
Caleb Natalie
Cameron Samantha
Charles Sarah
Christian Victoria
Christopher
Daniel
David
Ethan
Evan
Ian
Jacob
James
John
Jonathan
Jordan
Jose
Joseph
Joshua
Matthew
Michael
Nathan
Nicholas
Robert
Ryan
Samuel
Thomas
Wesley
William
Below are all the names that were on the top 1000 list in 1989, but not in 2019. It's crazy how names can change so much in one generation! Names in bold were in the top 100 in 1989, which are the names likely to sound common and normal to an older non-name nerd, but dated and unappealing to a young parent or name nerd.
Boys Girls
Addison Abbey
Adolfo Abbie
Agustin Adrian
Akeem Adrianne
Alexandro Adrienne
Alphonso Aimee
Alton Aja
Andrea Alecia
Andreas Alesha
Antione Alex
Antoine Alexandrea
Anton Ali
Antony Alisa
Antwan Alisha
Antwon Alissa
Aric Allyssa
Armand Alycia
Arnold Alyse
Arron Alysha
Arsenio Alysia
Ashley Amie
Aubrey Anabel
Austen Andria
Barry Angelia
Benito Angelique
Bennie Anita
Benny Anjelica
Bernard Annette
Bernardo Annmarie
Bill Antionette
Blair Antoinette
Brad Antonia
Bradford Araceli
Bradly Arlene
Brandan Asha
Branden Ashanti
Brandin Ashely
Brandt Ashlee
Brandyn Ashleigh
Brant Ashli
Brenden Ashlie
Brendon Ashly
Brennen Ashton
Brent Asia
Brenton Audra
Bret Audriana
Brice Audrianna
Britton Beatriz
Broderick Becky
Bryon Belinda
Cale Bernadette
Camron Beth
Carey Betsy
Carlo Betty
Carlton Beverly
Cary Billie
Cassidy Blanca
Cecil Bobbi
Cedric Bobbie
Cedrick Brandee
Chad Brandi
Chadd Brandie
Chadwick Brandy
Channing Breana
Chauncey Breann
Chaz Breanna
Chester Breanne
Clarence Bree
Claude Brenda
Cleveland Brenna
Clifford Brianne
Clifton Bridgett
Clint Bridgette
Clinton Brigitte
Coby Britany
Codey Britney
Coleman Britni
Cordell Britny
Cordero Brittaney
Cornelius Brittani
Cornell Brittanie
Cortez Brittnay
Cortney Brittnee
Coty Brittney
Courtney Brittni
Craig Brittnie
Cristobal Brittny
Cristopher Brook
Dale Bryanna
Damion Candace
Dan Candice
Dana Candy
Dandre Caitlin
Daquan Caitlyn
Daren Cara
Darien Cari
Darin Carina
Darion Carissa
Darnell Carla
Daron Carley
Darrel Carlie
Darrell Carol
Darrick Carrie
Darrin Casandra
Darrius Casie
Darron Cassie
Darryl Cassondra
Daryl Cathy
Dashawn Catrina
Dave Cayla
Davin Cecily
Davon Celina
Deangelo Chandra
Dejuan Chanelle
Demarco Chantal
Demarcus Chantel
Demario Chantelle
Denis Charity
Denny Charlene
Deon Charmaine
Deonte Chasity
Dereck Chastity
Deric Chelsey
Derick Chelsi
Derik Chelsie
Deron Cherelle
Derrek Cheri
Derrell Cherie
Deshawn Cherish
Devan Cheryl
Deven Chiquita
Dewayne Christa
Dimitri Christen
Dionte Christi
Dirk Christian
Dion Christiana
Domingo Christie
Dominique Christin
Dominque Christy
Don Chrystal
Donavan Ciara
Donnell Ciera
Donnie Cierra
Donta Cindy
Dontae Claudia
Donte Cody
Duane Colleen
Duncan Connie
Dusty Constance
Dwayne Corey
Dwight Cori
Earl Corina
Earnest Corrine
Eddy Cortney
Efrain Cory
Edgardo Courtney
Edmond Cristal
Edmund Cristina
Edwardo Danica
Efren Danika
Elmer Danyelle
Elvin Dara
Elvis Darlene
Erich Darcy
Erin Dawn
Ervin Dayna
Erwin Deana
Estevan Deanna
Federico Debbie
Fidel Debra
Floyd Deidra
Francesco Deidre
Frankie Deirdre
Fred Deja
Freddie Delia
Freddy Demetria
Fredrick Dena
Galen Denise
Garret Desirae
Garrick Desiree
Garrison Destinee
Garry Devin
Gene Devon
Geoffrey Diamond
Gerard Diane
German Dianna
Glen Dina
Glenn Dolores
Gilbert Dominique
Gilberto Dominque
Gino Domonique
Gonzalo Donna
Greg Dora
Gregg Doris
Gregorio Eboni
Guadalupe Ebony
Guy Edna
Hakeem Elisha
Hans Elissa
Herbert Elizabet
Heriberto Emilie
Herman Erica
Horace Ericka
Humberto Eunice
Irvin Fabiola
Irving Felicia
Isiah Felisha
Isidro Geneva
Jackie Georgina
Jacques Geraldine
Jamaal Gina
Jamar Gillian
Jamarcus Ginger
Jamel Gladys
Jamil Glenda
Jaquan Graciela
Jaren Gretchen
Jarod Griselda
Jarred Heather
Jarrell Hilary
Jarrett Hillary
Jarrod Holli
Jarvis Hollie
Javon Irma
Jean Ivette
Jed Jackie
Jeff Jacklyn
Jerad Jaclyn
Jerald Jacquelyn
Jeramy Jaime
Jered Jaimie
Jerel Jaleesa
Jeremey Jalisa
Jeremie Jami
Jermey Jamila
Jerod Jana
Jeromy Janae
Jaron Janay
Jerrell Janel
Jerrod Janell
Jess Janessa
Jessie Janet
Jessy Janette
Jim Janice
Jimmie Janie
Jody Janine
Joesph Janna
Johnathon Jaqueline
Johnnie Jasmin
Jonathon Jayme
Jordon Jean
Jory Jeanette
Josef Jeanne
Josh Jeannette
Joshuah Jeannie
Jovan Jena
Justen Jenifer
Kadeem Jennie
Kalvin Jenny
Karl Jerica
Kasey Jerrica
Kegan Jesica
Kelby Jesse
Kelly Jessi
Kelsey Jessika
Ken Jill
Kendal Joan
Kendall Joana
Kendell Joann
Kent Joanne
Kenton Jodi
Keon Jodie
Kerry Jody
Keven Johnna
Khiry Joni
Kirby Juana
Kirk Juanita
Kolby Judy
Korey Julianne
Kory Justina
Kristofer Justine
Kurt Kacey
Kurtis Kaci
Kwame Kacie
Ladarius Kacy
Lamar Kaela
Lamont Kaila
Laron Kaitlin
Laurence Kaitlynn
Leslie Kala
Lester Kaleigh
Lloyd Kaley
Lonnie Kalyn
Loren Kandace
Luther Kandice
Lyndon Kari
Mackenzie Karin
Madison Karissa
Malcom Karli
Marion Karly
Markus Kasandra
Marlin Kasey
Marques Kasie
Marquez Kassandra
Marquise Kassie
Martell Katelin
Martez Katelynn
Marty Katharine
Micheal Katherin
Michel Katheryn
Mickey Kathrine
Mike Kathy
Mikel Kati
Milton Katlin
Mitchel Katlyn
Montrell Katrina
Morris Katy
Mychal Kaycee
Myron Kaylyn
Najee Keely
Nathanial Keisha
Neal Kelley
Nestor Kelli
Nick Kellie
Nickolas Kelsea
Nigel Kelsi
Nikko Kelsie
Norman Kenya
Octavio Keri
Osvaldo Kerri
Paris Kerry
Perry Keshia
Pete Kia
Pierre Kierra
Quinten Kiersten
Quintin Kirsten
Raheem Kiley
Rakeem Kim
Ralph Kimberlee
Ramiro Kimberley
Randal Kristen
Randall Kirstie
Randolph Kirstin
Rashaad Kortney
Rashad Kourtney
Rashawn Krista
Raymundo Kristal
Reynaldo Kristan
Rico Kristi
Rick Kristian
Rickey Kristie
Rigoberto Kristin
Roderick Kristina
Rodolfo Kristine
Robbie Krystal
Robby Kristy
Rodrick Kristyn
Rogelio Krysta
Rolando Krysten
Ron Krystin
Roosevelt Krystina
Ross Krystle
Rudolph Kyle
Rusty Laci
Ryne Lacie
Sammy Lacy
Schuyler Lakeisha
Scotty Lakesha
Shannon Lakeshia
Shaun Lakisha
Shay Laquita
Shayne Lashonda
Shea Larissa
Shelby Latasha
Sheldon Latisha
Shelton Latosha
Sherman Latonya
Sidney Latoya
Skylar Latrice
Spenser Laurie
Stacey Leandra
Stacy Leann
Stephan Leanne
Stephon Leeann
Steve Leigh
Stevie Lesley
Stewart Leticia
Stuart Lindsay
Sylvester Lisette
Tad Lissette
Taryn Liza
Ted Lizbeth
Teddy Lizeth
Terence Lizette
Terrell Lora
Terrence Loren
Theron Lorena
Timmy Loretta
Todd Lori
Tom Lorraine
Tommie Lourdes
Torrey Lyndsay
Tory Lyndsey
Tracy Lynette
Travon Lynn
Trever Lynsey
Trevon Maegan
Tylor Magan
Tyree Magen
Tyrel Mai
Tyrell Maira
Tyron Mandi
Tyrone Mandy
Ulysses Maranda
Vaughn Marcia
Vernon Marcella
Vince Margarita
Virgil Mari
Wendell Marian
Wilfredo Marianne
Willard Maribel
Willie Maricela
Willis Mariel
Zachery Marisa
Zackary Marisela
Zackery Marisol
Maritza
Marjorie
Marla
Marlena
Marlene
Marquita
Marsha
Martika
Martina
Maryann
Maura
Maureen
Mayra
Meagan
Meaghan
Melinda
Melisa
Mercedes
Micaela
Michele
Mindy
Misty
Mollie
Monika
Monique
Moriah
Nadine
Nichole
Nicolette
Nikita
Nikki
Nikole
Noel
Norma
Olga
Pamela
Patrice
Pauline
Peggy
Perla
Phylicia
Porsha
Portia
Precious
Rachael
Racheal
Rachelle
Rebeca
Randi
Rena
Renae
Rhiannon
Rhonda
Richelle
Rikki
Rita
Roberta
Robyn
Rochelle
Rocio
Rosalinda
Rosanna
Roxana
Roxanna
Roxanne
Sade
Salina
Sally
Samatha
Sandy
Selina
Shaina
Shakira
Shameka
Shamika
Shana
Shanae
Shanelle
Shanice
Shanika
Shaniqua
Shanna
Shannon
Shante
Shantel
Shantell
Shari
Sharon
Shauna
Shawna
Shayla
Shayna
Shea
Sheena
Sheila
Shelley
Shelly
Sheri
Sherri
Sherry
Shirley
Silvia
Sonia
Sonja
Sonya
Staci
Stacie
Stacy
Stefani
Stefanie
Stephani
Stephany
Susan
Susana
Susanna
Suzanne
Tabatha
Tabitha
Tameka
Tamika
Tammy
Tanesha
Tania
Tanisha
Tanya
Tara
Tarah
Tasha
Tawny
Tayler
Tera
Teri
Terra
Terri
Tess
Theresa
Tia
Tianna
Tiara
Tiera
Tierra
Tiffani
Tiffanie
Tina
Toni
Tonya
Tosha
Tracey
Traci
Tracie
Tracy
Tricia
Trina
Trisha
Trista
Tyler
Valarie
Valencia
Vicky
Wanda
Wendy
Yadira
Yajaira
Yasmine
Yesenia
Yessenia
Yolanda
Yvette
Yvonne
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2020.10.10 20:04 Logerith12 Dream Diary (Parts 1 & 2)

Dream Diary Friday, March 13th, 2020 Could not remember dream. Saturday, March 14th, 2020 I only could remember a non-existent Portal 2 level with moving platforms and a 3rd person playing style (I believe), Something about Critical Role, which I remember banging my hand down on my dresser, mad about something related to Orion Abaca (I believe), something similar to Lego Indiana Jones, with a androgynous kid-side kick who looked to be of either Hindu or Latin American descent, and a bonus level thing where the two players were Bionicles with a puzzle minigame, which consisted of jumping on a button and trying to jump up ramps, two exploits existed: one where you could just repeatedly jump on the button in two-player and let your friend do it, and another where you could just double jump nesr the end portal, rather than going up the final ramp, and a cartoon clown robot trying to sabatoge a carnival in Lego City. The clown was 2d, had a robotic hand, that could morph into several different blades or utensils, while the Lego-People were human-height minifigures and were 3d. It jumped to a Lego City ad-esque firefighting scene where a building was coated in a special ghost (I believe) flame. A special squadron of Lego Minifigure ghost (I believe) firefighters came in and put out the flame. I'm pretty sure the robot level came before the Indiana Jones level, but I'm not certain. I also remember saying "huh, that worked" to the bionicle game. Chaotic DS game/Bionicle GBA game-level graphics for the bionicle game. Sunday, March 15, 2020 Cursed Bionicle & Thomas Collection tracked ride. Depot for sapient trains. Monday, March 16, 2020 I could remember my dream before I fell back asleep. 👿 Tuesday, March 17, 2020 I could not remember my dream. Wednesday, March 18, 2020 Best Buy with Retro video games Underage Hentai babe Sharkman + MCU Friday, March 20th, 2020 Marble Hornets cast + Old House Saturday, March 21st, 2020 Dad's friend's mom chastising me for barely passing High School+Hermione called a demon+backroads of Michigan. Sunday, March 22nd, 2020 Remodeled Willy Wonka Ride. Burn Pokémon + Spiel about what the bible truly says about witchcraft. Monday, March 23rd, 2020 I could not remember my dream. Tuesday I could not remember my dream. Thursday I can remember a hardware store, I think. Friday The more I think about my dreams in recent memory, the more the memories become slurried. Saturday I could not remember my dream. Sunday Monday I remember a Fairy, who morphed into a midget. Tuesday Tribe Twelve+Buff Adam Rosner+Having to choose my mom to rescue from the void+Ashley Sprowl+Bigger Subdivision. Wednesday Harambe lawsuit+Triply Baldi's Basics game+Transformers fair+Toy's R Us Thursday Disease+Painting my genitals as a loyalty sign to the Muppets. Friday Saturday Marble Hornets+Haunted House+Home Depot-esque store+Monster's Inc+Slime toys? Sunday Monday: I cannot remember my dream. Tuesday: I remember a Rite-Aid and Bionicles, that's it. Wednesday: Bookstore without R. A. Salvatore+Aunt Sherry+No pants+Shoe Store with living crystals. Thursday: Friday: Saturday: Sunday: Monday: Tuesday: Wednesday: I could not remember my dream. Thursday: Beyond Scared Straight+Lanyard for sale. Friday: Saturday: Rave in grandpa's front lawn in broad daylight. Thursday Friday Saturday Monday Tuesday Wednesday: The Incredibles Thursday: Banjo-Kazooie, Being Jerked back by Brenden, Animatronic avoidance Friday: Pokémon, Iris Naked, Mom fakes her death, and Hospital. Saturday: Mario RPG + Finding Playstation. Sunday: I remember being in an office, thats it. Monday: ClueFinders game that resembles That Mansion Game from Lucasarts. Tuesday: Pokemon generation crossover+Grandma's house+Jack trying to touch the electric doohickey Wednesday: I could remember my dream. 👿 Thursday: birthday party+Bionicle toy store. Friday: Saturday:Animatronics and Christmas Party Sunday: I forgot my dream Monday: I could remember my dream. Wednesday: Forgot Thursday: Critical Role+Tupperware in the supermarket. Friday: US Office+Pet chicken. Saturday: Twins+Ben 10+Team Fortress 2+Christmas Meijers. Sunday: Assassin’s Creed & Shadow of Mordor+Disney/Universal Animatronic Escape Room. Monday: Junkyard gremlins and Johnny Thunder Tuesday: Couldn't sleep. Wednesday: Mrs. Roehl berating me for being poor+Hypno-birthday cake Thursday: Grandpar Car+College+Sci-fi rendition of Family Guy+Maddy is a wizard Friday: Come back to this later. Saturday: Forgot my dream. Wednesday: Two Dreams, both forgotten. Monday:Going for a joy ride in the Camaro. Wednesday/Thursday: Abusive teacher, Disney's Coco, Mom at a salon, and a roller coaster. Saturday: Cleveland Brown with an "appropriate" voice + Minecraft. Sunday: Critical Role + Bald Burnout. Monday: Barbie Bin+Lego Alpha Team. Wednesday: Hero Factory+Actually having friends+Minecraft and strip mall Thursday: Girl harrassing me IRL for what I did in Twitter+Giant Mall/Amusement Park+Mr. Weasley not recognizing his son+Space Mountain Ride. Friday: Chuck-E-Cheese with a bunch if brainwashed characters. Sunday: South Park Drowning+School where I'm only wearing my red boxer-briefs. Wednesday: Batman Arkham +Johnny K., Josh, and two others raiding my kitchen. Thursday: Weird Museum/Theme Park+Mall Saturday: Something involving Rollplay and Birchwood Mall. Sunday: Lots of them, can’t remember one, ‘cept the last one which was men in black themed. OH! The carnival with the Yeerks and my psychic powers! And the kid with Down syndrome and the urban point & click game. Thursday: Water Park+Friends with my psychic powers. Friday: Jared Knabenbauer roasting the ClueFinders+Occult imagery. Saturday: MTG/Chaotic. Sunday: Shannon Curly smoking after she was pregnant. Thursday: I can only remember my dream was vivid. Friday: Multiple dreams. The one I remember was about food attacking us, me trying to play the pan flute to reawaken some sapient plants and me, Remmy the Rat, Charlie Bucket, and Pinnochio trying to solve a world class conspiracy against other sapient plants, sapient foodstuffs, and sapient animals. Oh, and Mickey Mouse was there in a dungeon/castle with me, who pronounced Goofy dead. Saturday: Pizza+Funeral with no shoes+Twins+Eddsworld Sunday: George Carlin in the bathtub + Kasey Moseurak spending the night. And other things. Monday: Beauty and the Beast Disney Ride+Mr. Moretz not knowing Joker is DC, not Marvel+different school+Bionicles back in stores. Tuesday: Forgot my dream. Wednesday: LEGO Mario. Thursday: Nanovors+Colored balloons+my sister beating me. Friday: I remember entering a building labeled “Knapford Station” even though it wasn’t. It was green. I was with my father. As I enter, there was a cafeteria with baked goods. Lexi Babb, Erin Sanders, and Mikayla Morgan were there. I was talking with Mickey & Erin and Mikayla kept having short term memory loss. The Teen Titans. Saturday: I could jot remember my dream. Sunday: I forgot my dream. Monday: MMO+Staying with May form Pokémon's family. Tuesday: Late Night Furry carnival. Wednesday: Did I dream? Sunday: Disney World Tuesday: Worm turns into chicken, and threatens world. High School & Lockers. Wednesday: Tropicalbeachhouse+maddydressedasagoth+jontron/jigglydrivingmehome+soldiertoystory+stephanie+Chuckie the doll, that's all I remember. Thursday: Desert Dimension+Jeff at Taco Bell Friday: Sierra Postill as Homecoming Queen+Jontron and Mrs. Scmitt+Mr. Moretz roasting a talent show. Saturday: Crazy Sesame Street Mobile choice-based game. Time Machine to fix my and Northup's relationship. Muppet servants at Cinderella's Castle. Monday: Mario and Luigi as a 3D platformer. Tuesday: Mall with Aunt Sherrie & Hotel. Wednesday: New House/Staying at Grandma's+Marysville Library+Josh Muir and Sam dating+Erin Sanders roasting me with a cartoon. Dream Diary Part 2 Thursday, September 24th: Something about Buddy the Elf. Friday, September 25th: I could not remember my dream. Saturday, September 26th: A marine biology museum with a flood-able second-half. Sunday: Talking to my dad about the physics of heat+Nanny McPhee+the trashed Pick-Up & performing a cover of a song of which I cannot recall+getting Roasted by Wee-Man+reading that Mrs. Wade was a wild-child on the back of a cereal box+walking around the backwoods of South-East Michigan+Dad schooling some Rando about Disturbed's "Way of Prayer". Monday: Me defending ProJared at a game store+me bench-pressing an animatronic dog head+the bullies getting experemented on. Saturday: ClueFinders stuff+Funeral+Colorful Unity. Sunday: Something involving a sleepover, I think. I'm trying to remember. Donkey Kong 64 and Bryce. Bird that fects ypu with afever. Uncle rob. Monday: Miniladd train Tuesday: Yumi pool party Wednesday: Singing deer+Bionicle G1+College. Thursday: Finding my MTG Deckib my locker. Friday: Mom cursing out a person in a parking lot+ Weeping angels+Bella Thorne Dream Journal Story Miss Perrigrin's + House with a Clock in its walls + The Spiderwick Chronicles
A large, 7 floor mansion, with a black landlady in her 50s/60s, named Ms. Derren. All of the residents prefer to dress as Americans did in the early-to-mid-1900's, but are aware of 21st century technology, culture, and current events.
The apartment complex is infested with monsters that all the adults, except the landlady, are blissfully unaware of.
A large black family of multiple generations move into the top floor. This is where we find our main protagonist. A nerdy black kid, who is a retro video game collector. The family fails to follow the dresscode trend, for the reason: "it's stupid".
7 other kids, all of the children are white. Unfortunately:
Ginger with Curly Hair: Team Leader Sporty Kid: Half-Jewish baseball fanatic Little Kid: Small, quick, naive.
Monsters:
Honey-Trapping Plant-Spider
Shapeshifting Man-Eating Mice that disguise themselves as clock faces.
There is a manual on how to avoid them.
Black Kid reads through the manual and deduces their weaknesses.
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2020.10.03 17:00 kittehgoesmeow What A Day: Unmasked And Answered by Sarah Lazarus & Crooked Media (10/02/20)

"Does anyone else find it odd that no prominent Democrats have had the virus but the list of Republicans goes on and on?" - DeAnna Lorraine, tantalizingly close to an epiphany

POTUS Positive

The utterly thinkable has happened: Donald Trump has contracted coronavirus.
This mother of all October surprises throws the election homestretch into more or less total uncertainty. Here’s what we know:
It was likely only a matter of time before Donald Trump was touched by the virus that he’s already allowed—through negligence, corruption, and lies—to kill more than 200,000 Americans. The only certainty we have is that the stakes of this election have never been starker, and with Saturday marking one month until November 3, the work we need to do to win has never been more urgent. https://VoteSaveAmerica.com.

Look No Further Than The Crooked Media

On Saturday we will be ONE MONTH OUT FROM ELECTION DAY. Holy shit. It’s happening. If you haven’t yet, now’s the time to get involved—make some calls, get voters registered before their deadlines.
Registration deadlines start as early as this Sunday, October 4th, so double-check to make sure you're registered. Our Adopt A State program is running a big weekend of action, and you can find more volunteer opportunities on https://votesaveamerica.com

Under The Radar

A federal judge has (once again) ordered the Trump administration to continue the Census count through the end of October. Judge Lucy Koh wrote that Commerce Secretary/Oldest Man Wilbur Ross’s directive to end the count on October 5 was an “egregious violation” of her injunction order reinstating the October 31 end date. The Trump administration is in the process of appealing that order, but the appeals court has denied Trump’s request to put the ruling on hold in the meantime. At stake here is the data Trump needs for an anti-immigration power grab: If Census counting ends by October 5, he’ll have the apportionment data in time to implement his (illegal) policy of excluding undocument immigrants from the redistricting process, starving their communities of representation and federal resources. If not, and he loses the election, he and Republicans are out of luck.

What Else?

First Lady Melania Trump talked smack about Christmas and caged children on secretly-recorded audio, and somehow this was the small October surprise. “Who gives a fuck about the Christmas stuff and decorations? I say that I’m working on Christmas and planning for the Christmas and they said, ‘Oh, what about the children that they were separated?’ Give me a fucking break.” She don’t really care do u?
Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron has released 20 hours of audio recordings from the Breonna Taylor grand jury. The recordings don’t include which charges prosecutors asked the jury to consider.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she’s open to a potential standalone airline-relief bill all of a sudden, which is an...interesting negotiation technique.
Cleveland, OH, has reported 11 coronavirus cases stemming from the presidential debate.
Gov. Greg Abbott (R-TX) is rightly getting sued up the wazoo by a voting rights group, the Texas Democratic Party, and others, over his order to close ballot-dropoff locations.
Seventeen House Republicans voted against a resolution to condemn QAnon, whose cult-members targeted Rep. Tom Malinowski (D-NJ) with death threats. A total of 52 Republicans either voted against the resolution, abstained, or voted present. Malinowski became a QAnon target thanks to a defamatory ad commissioned by the National Republican Campaign Committee.
Well, um... Kimberly Guilfoyle.
Rick Moranis was randomly sucker-punched on a walk in Manhattan, in a troubling expansion of the October surprise genre.
Ireland’s Supreme Court has ruled that Subway’s bread is not bread, just when America is too distracted to fight back.

Be Smarter

Democratic leaders who have been working with Facebook to stem the spread of election misinformation say the company isn’t up to the task of preventing chaos. Democratic sources said that monthly calls with Facebook had left frustrated party members with the sense that the company isn’t doing nearly enough to stop disinformation attacks against Democratic candidates, or to prepare for dangerous post-election rhetoric: “They’re essentially slapping Band-Aids on wounds that require emergency room stitches.” Facebook has reportedly been using the meetings to run a public-relations charm offensive, rather than to work towards substantive solutions, which certainly sounds familiar.

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Is That Hope I Feel?

A North Carolina judge has approved the state’s plan to extend the absentee ballot deadline, and make it easier for voters to fix any problems on their ballot.
Gov. Phil Murphy (D-NJ) has backed legislation that would codify Roe v. Wade into state law.
Five major environmental groups will launch a joint effort to boost 30 Democratic House campaigns, and four Senate campaigns.
It has begun.

Enjoy

The Onion on Twitter: "Rudy Giuliani Tests Positive For Slew Of Obscure Bat Diseases Unrelated To Covid-19"
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2020.10.02 22:44 dominic_viviano Spouse Visa Approved! USA to UK 12 working days!

Hello All,
We were approved for our spouse visa yesterday! I just wanted to give a huge thank you to everyone on here whose posts and advice helped make our visa application successful. I've updated our timeline in the megathread but thought I would post here because our application was not 100% straightforward and we still managed to get our visa in 12 WORKING DAYS! (with priority) Hopefully this information can help someone in the future who is going through this complicated, confusing, expensive, and stressful process. Most of these tips can be found in other posts but I thought it would be good to have them all in one place, apologies in advance for the very long post.
Husband is USA citizen Wife is UK. Married and living together in USA since 2013. Cash savings route.
We did not use a lawyer because, as others have noted, the lawyers we talked to and tried to communicate with either did not respond, responded months after our inquiry, charged piles of money, or seemed disorganized and unhelpful. Although one notable exception was a lawyer named Danielle Cohen who told us it sounded like we could do it on our own and to save our $2000. Thanks Danielle!
We finished our online application and paid the fees on September 2nd 2020. We paid the extra roughly $800 for priority at the end of the application (and are very, very happy we did). Then we logged into VFS and paid VFS $5 extra for SMS updates which we received and $70 for the shipping labels which we printed at home and attached to a bubble mailer from UPS. We did not include a return envelope, just a label.
We picked an ASC near us and then uploaded ONE document in order to advance to the next screen where we could book biometrics asap. By then using the "back" button on the website (not the browser) in the top left hand corner we were able to navigate back through the 5 previous screens to get to the page where you can select what ASC you would like to use. We live in Cleveland so checked Cleveland, Detroit and Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh had the soonest appointment so we booked that for September 15th.
Meanwhile we made sure all of our documents were in order and ready to upload. We went the cash savings route. As I mentioned in another post we WERE NOT able to obtain 6 consecutive bank statements showing above 62,500 for a period of six months.
This was because HSBC does not issue statements for months in which there is no activity in the account, something we realized one month before we made our application. We DID have one bank statement from February to MAY showing a balance above 62,500 being carried forward, another statement from May to July, and a statement from August. Three statements total. We felt this could possibly be grounds for refusal so we contacted HSBC and had them mail us a letter on their official letterhead stating that the account balance was above 62,500 in February and had not gone below that amount up to September 1.
It was a huge pain to get them to issue the letter and we called and spoke to about 20 different people over a 2 week period in order to finally get the letter.
Here are all of the documents we scanned and uploaded to VFS in support of our application (we did not physically mail any of these documents):
Subject: Supporting Documents Uploaded for -----------------Spouse Visa Application
  1. Application
  2. Full Passport of Applicant
  3. Copy of BioData page of the passport of Sponsor
  4. Original Bank Statements from Sponsors HSBC account showing that at least the level of cash savings relied upon in the application has been held continuously in sponsors account throughout a period of 6 months prior to the date of application.
  5. Letter from HSBC declaring that at least the level of cash savings relied upon in the application has been held continuously in sponsors account throughout a period of 6 months prior to the date of application.
  6. Evidence of shared financial responsibility:
  1. Declaration by sponsor of the source of cash savings
  2. Declaration of gift of funds by Grandmother of Sponsor
  3. Personal Bank Statements from Grandmother of Sponsor demonstrating that the gift of funds did not present a financial burden to her.
    1. Declaration of offer of Accommodation and house size by Mother of Sponsor
- Council tax bill from accommodation address
- Water Bill from accommodation address
  1. Marriage License and Marriage Certificate of Applicant and Sponsor from December 2013
    1. Photographs with captions of Applicant and Sponsor from 2013 – present (1 photo per year, 8 photos total)
  2. Screenshots of shared travel itineraries where Applicant and Sponsor went on Holiday together from 2013 – present
  3. Sponsors FULL passport as proof of British Citizenship
  4. Sponsors Cover Letter
  5. Applicants Cover Letter
    After uploading everything through VFS we then checked the uploads and notice that they had combined separate files, as other have noted, as worrying as it was theres not much you can do and it seems to have not mattered.
We went to biometrics on September 15th and arrived an hour early. They processed me immediately and I was done 45 minutes before my actual appointment. All I brought physically to my biometrics appointment was my passport and my two page appointment letter which they stamped and signed then took my picture and fingerprints.
Next we physically mailed the following items in a UPS bubble mailer with "Priority" written largely on the outside of the mailer: (We found this list on FB)
- COVER SHEET, in large bold font write applicant name, GWF Number, Priority service (if purchase)
- Applicants passport
- return shipping label
- Biometric appointment letter - stamped and signed
- First page of application
- Signed document checklist
- Receipts: Visa payment confirmation, IHS payment confirmation
Finally we sat back and stressed out / waited. UKVIS said it would take approximately 28 working days from biometrics which would be October 23rd. Yesterday morning I woke up to the "A decision has been made on your visa" text message followed immediately by my UPS shipping number being activated, then looked outside and the package was on our porch containing my passport with the vignette stuck in!
Then we got real drunk.
Today we happily book our one way flight for Nov. 2nd so from online application to leaving for the UK it was exactly 2 months!
Feel free to ask about anything I may have left out and I hope this information can help someone in the future. Thanks so much to everyone who helped us again and to everyone waiting for a decision try not to let this crazy process get you down!
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2020.10.02 05:39 Sylamatek My idea for a period accurate, suitably grand Anno 1800 monument: the Grand Arcade

Have you ever wondered what, exactly, your investors do all day when they aren't ogling at the latest discovery at the World's Fair? I think by indulging themselves! But besides a bank, surely they throw their money at other things in their free time?
To give you a first taste, take a look at this picture. https://imgur.com/7Rsm4xq
What you're seeing is the Galleria Vittorio Emaneulle II, Italy's oldest active shopping mall in Milan. It was designed in 1861 and completed circa 1877. The Europeans on this subreddit are certainly more familiar with this concept than most of my fellow Americans likely are, but essentially they are indoocovered streets designed with pedestrian traffic in mind. The Galleria Vittorio especially is a tourism magnet.
Arcades of this type were a particular architectural craze going on around during the 1800s (and even before that according to the wikipedia page, which will explain most of the history better than I could https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcade_(architecture)) For example, here's the relatively small Leadenhall Market in London, dating back to the 14th century https://imgur.com/nnrC8rO
Imagine walking through this kind of space in-game with some, uh, hypothetical first person mode! These weren't just a couple buildings stuck together, they feel like entire districts! https://imgur.com/tQWa0eU
Perhaps it is a building which has slots for a new, unique specialist called a vendor, who could give you certain bonuses whenever you have excess of a particular luxury resource on the island.
Here's a more modern arcade, from Cleveland Ohio https://imgur.com/9zK1taa
One of the most interesting elements of this kind of building could be a modular design. Why stop at something cruciform-shaped like the Galleria Vittorio? Why build one fixed structure if you had a few different angled, straight, connector, and end shaped pieces, just like the Palace, and assemble whatever your empire can support? Something like this could give players trying to raise attractiveness and income on their islands a way to spend their time in the end-game, when things might feel like they are starting to slow down. This could also be another large structure to dominate a portion of Crown Falls. I love the Palace, World's Fair, and culture module buildings like the Zoo, Museum and Botanical Gardens, but another megastructure would be a fun addition to keep the gameplay loop lasting longer before you think about starting a new game.
And make your capital look absolutely breathtaking, of course
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2020.10.02 03:46 Living-Dead-Boy-12 A wired idea that pops into my head (dont feed the plants)

For some reason when I hear Dont Feed the Plates, espicaly the newest version. My head makes up a rather different take on the last sequence that most takes I have seen online. Leaning into the idea this musical was based after “real” events in the world on the musical, the ending starts off as normal mostly. The three singers doing there part. But once it goes to “eat Cleveland” part, a map one the stage shows up and shows each part getting covered by vines or just red. A person running onto the stage quickly and whispering to them so the “this theater” line comes off as guanine shock. So, almost all of the cast runs back of stage, either in partial disrobe like they were changing costumes, or in a full on military uniform. As they prep for the attack. Meaning that this is “real” in a sense as the lines sung are used to each other as encouragement in a way. Sung to each other as they throw Potts or something at the approaching vines. The “Hold your hats” line returning to directly addressing the audience as someone (probbaly the actor of seymore) prepares a molitove cocktail and tosses it in the now returning mouth of Audrey two, briefly sharing the “well have tomorrow” line witj someone (Audrey 1 if you want, but I think for the metal angle to work best its a completely random cast member, maybe even a guy. Like they were “really” dating). Tossing the bottle into the open mouth as the curtain closes, the audience seeing the plant swallow it right before it covers that up. Once the curtain hits the floor a massive “boom” happens in synch with rhe last note.
Or for a film take, similar idea with the map build up, but now focused on a random town or city fiting it off
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2020.10.01 15:36 BingeWatcherBot The original “Bartlet4America” News Archive website

Bartlet4America News Archive
I’ve been searching for this old West Wing News archive for weeks now on the “way back machine” and I almost gave up last night too. (So naturally I found it on the very last day I was going to allow myself to spend searching for it of course!) But I’m still glad I searched and finally found it.
I should warn any first time viewers that because it’s an Archive it’s “Main” page lands on the later 2006 articles. I should also warn other West Wing fans that it’s a little bit difficult to navigate compared to any current platforms.
This site includes pretty much every news story, blog, article, and write up about or that could be connected to the series between 1998- 2007.
There’s also various weekly episode write ups and tons of dirt and gossip from the series, cast, behind the scenes, and in the news too.
It even contains very detailed articles about the various high profile and more scandalous rumors even including some of the now completely defunct ones too.
I came across it looking for details about the ensemble casts walk out gamble which they all took over the pay increases they felt were due to them, since the show went from a protagonist led drama to an ensemble led drama almost immediately, according to Aaron Sorkin this change occurred very early on in season one. (Some of those details begin in the middle of the page linked above in the article dated July 13th, 2001 titled “West Wing cast members to hold out”.)
A move that really worked out well for Bradley, John, Allison, & Richard ... but as we all know not so much for Rob.
But this “gamble” and it’s success actually fueled quite a few other such mid-production series regulars and ensemble cast walk outs over contract negotiations too. (Which was actually what sent me looking for it.)
What I didn’t know though was that TWW ensemble had other occasions to almost do this again too.
There’s quite a bit of info from an “at that time” prospective on The West Wing in this web archive, but I personally found the numerous Gossip and Rumor details to be the most fascinating. Especially the ones that either conflicted with each other at the time and or those that we’ve since learned the truth about which renders them false.
I figured I’d share the sites link here because if anyone would enjoy this site it would be my fellow TheWestWing fans.
Edit: I was searching the site to find the details about the Writing staff’s not getting their raises and came across a few compelling articles. I figured since the sites not easy to navigate I’d include the few I came across here.
•June 2001- While I was originally searching for this page From June 2001 for the article titled “West Wing Bosses Defend Writer Cut Backswritten by Michael Schneider for Variety thats filled with the details about TWW’s budget issues and especially their producers not honoring the writing staffs contractually obligated raises and title bumps situation that I’d referenced in a comment below. I came across some other great articles too.
•From July 2001 I came across this article that’s the 6th down included in the July 01’ archive page titled “Will the West Wing Go Up In Smokewritten by Sharon Waxman for The Washington Post so far its one of the more fascinating write ups I’ve come across so far on the site.
I’ve found this one July 01 article to be a truly compelling read. As I read thru it I came across a few things I hadn’t heard much about before. One being the fact that NBC, Warner Studios, and Well’s “ER” ensemble’s pay (of hundreds of thousands per episode in some cases) heavily contributed TWW casts joint “walk out” threat/gamble, as opposed to this more often referenced as all only boiling down to Lowe’s pay situation. However also included here is a controversy (which was apparently major trade news at the time) about the shared Emmy win between Rick Cleveland and Aaron Sorkin for “In Excelsis Deo”. This turned into one hell of a scandal amongst the writers table over Aaron Sorkin’s (apparently admitted) insecurity that he’s afraid “the class might fall in love with the substitute teacher” if he handed over his writing duties and credits. Apparently Cleveland not only wrote a script for that episode (that Aaron later claimed while “belittling” Cleveland was thrown out) but he’d actually provided the entire concept for Toby’s storyline in the episode based on his own fathers life experience. The scandal here continued over lack of any credit or thanking during Aaron’s acceptance speech for the Emmy win that “In Excelsis Deo” received. This is just two little tid-bits from the article, theres really just a ton of info in this piece and so I’ve included it because it was really intriguing to read.
•July 2003
During this search I’d also come across a July 30th, 2003 article titled “A Rebellion In The West Wing” by Verne Gay for Newsday about another instance where the main ensemble cast worked together again for a proposed a 100% pay increase. I included this link because in my post I originally referenced that the cast almost had another occasion to make this gamble again.
•August 2003
I also came across this notable read from the August 2003 Archive too. The write up titled “Stars and Strifedated August 09, 2003 written by Dave Walker for the New Orleans Times which is lengthy but had quite a few interesting inclusions. I loved coming across this quote from John Amos which appears as almost an early coining of “Sorkinese” :
Veteran actor John Amos has made several "West Wing" appearances as Adm. Percy Fitzwallace. “I know it's going to be a change," said Amos. "You don't replace a talent like Aaron Sorkin. “We've all learned to speak Sorkinese, which is a very special language developed by Aaron for the cast
Along with learning that Aaron Sorkin considered David E Kelley his direct competition based on more than just their series continually going head to head in shared time slots. It turns out like Sorkin, David E Kelley also doesn’t hand over his script writing to anyone else and penned them all himself. This is a trait unique to only the two TV series writers.
David E. Kelley, creator of "Ally McBeal," "The Practice," "Boston Public" and the new CBS drama "The Brotherhood of Poland, N.H.," shares at least one trait with Sorkin. Both men have shouldered the entire writing burden for an hour-long drama. Handing off characters to other writers is something that Kelley has attempted before. But he concedes that the transition may prove more difficult for Sorkin.” “I think it's going to be very difficult to approximate his voice," Kelley said. "In addition to him being intimately connected with all his characters, he had a very specific rhythm to his writing style. If it could be easily copied we would see more of it, because it's such an effective rhythm
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2020.09.29 15:53 kittehgoesmeow What A Day: Don Of The Debt by Sarah Lazarus & Crooked Media (09/28/20)

"If the president thinks his best case is made in urine he can have at it." - The Biden campaign response to Trump's demands for a pre-debate drug test

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Donald Trump ran for president in 2016 to boost his flagging marketability, has used the office to support his failing businesses, and is now prepared to steal an election to avoid accountability for the mountain of debt he can’t afford to pay. Trump was terrified of voters finding out that he is, above all, pathetic. We can work with that.

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The Trump administration has spent more than $300 million on an ad blitz to “defeat despair” about the coronavirus ahead of the election. The campaign will reportedly feature administration officials and celebrities (well, Dennis Quaid) discussing the pandemic and the administration’s response. It was organized by former Health and Human Services spokesman Michael Caputo, who’s now on medical leave, and who claimed in a Facebook video that the campaign was “demanded of me by the president of the United States. Personally.” Caputo’s team abruptly commandeered $300 million that Congress had appropriated for the CDC—literally weakening the pandemic response to pay for campaign ads falsely assuring voters that the response is going great. House Democrats have launched an investigation, but haven’t yet been able to halt the contract.

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President Trump formally nominated Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court on Saturday, and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham has set a timeline to have the committee approve her on October 22. Several Senate Democrats have pledged not to meet with Barrett, and several Republicans have absurdly/falsely/slanderously accused them of hating Catholics.
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After the Trump campaign cited nine discarded ballots in Pennsylvania to baselessly accuse Democrats of trying to steal the election, GOP leaders of the Pennsylvania legislature have petitioned the Supreme Court to please overturn a state supreme court ruling requiring that absentee ballots be counted after November 3.
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2020.09.27 13:00 lenalikesboots A few of my POTO wants

Hi guys!!!
I'm close to completing my POTO video collection! However, for that to happen, I still need a few videos. Hit me up if you have any of these videos:
Phantom Follies Rob Guest, Marina Prior, Dale Burridge, Maree Johnson, Caroline Ferrie 1992; Australia "Australian cast puts on skits and spoofs for charity, runs for over two hours. Some of the skits/parodies: 'Beauty School Dropout,' 'The Three Raoul Amigos,' 'A Charade,' 'I'm Too Sexy,' a rock version of 'Il Muto,' and a rap/dance version of 'Think of Me'."
Brad Little, Elizabeth Southard, Tim Martin Gleason January 11, 2004; Orlando Matinee performance. Three DAT files. Small picture with a lot of washout and fuzziness. Looks like it was filmed by the same person who did the evening performance on the same date. Brad Little's last matinee performance in the national tour
Damian Aleksander, Paulina Janczak/Edyta Krzemien, Marcin Mrozinski/Piotr Domalewski 2008 (?); Warsaw, Poland Various clips, highlights, and trailers from the Polish production, mostly ripped off YouTube. Combination of MP4 and FLV file
Brad Little, Claire Lyon, Anthony Downing Late 2014/Early 2015; Hong Kong, China Poorly shot, very far away video. MP4 files. Lots of blackouts, often not focused on the stage in Act 1, but improves slightly in Act 2.
Dmitry Ermak, Tamara Kotova, Eugeny Zaycev 2015; Moscow, Russia MP4 files, highlights of Act 1 only: Hannibal, 'Think of Me', 'The Mirror', and the title song
Brad Little, Emilie Lynn/Kristi Holden, Anthony Downing 2015; World Tour A bunch of Instagram clips of various scenes and actors from the World Tour. To be gifted.
Hugh Panaro, Sandra Joseph, John Cudia, Jeff Keller, George Lee Andrews, Patricia Phillips, Marilyn Caskey, Larry Wayne Morbitt, Joelle Gates* August 9, 2003; Broadway Rather massive head blocks most of the bottom, but filmer does their best to shoot around it.
Howard McGillin, Rebecca Pitcher, Michael Shawn Lewis, Julie Schmidt (u/s), David Cryer, George Lee Andrews, Marilyn Caskey, Roland Rusinek, Heather McFadden* August 18, 2006; Broadway Terrific quality video, very sharp colors and details. Audio is out of sync starting at 'Angel of Music' but is fixed by the title song.
Absolutely Phantomless April 13, 1995; Australia "The Australian cast of Phantom of the Opera in their annual Easter Charity Concert. Each of Cameron Mackintosh’s Australian shows participates at midnight after their regular performances. These shows feature the cast members parodying songs and other shows, with a slight tilt towards their own productions. Pro-shot for video, these tapes were made for cast and crew only."
Chopper Opera Rob Guest, Danielle Everett, John Bowles April 4, 1996; Sydney, Australia "The Sydney casts of Phantom of the Opera and Miss Saigon feature in this Easter Charity concert. Features "adapted" music from both shows in addition to pop music and songs from other shows. Pro-shot for video but generation loss."
Tomasz Steciuk, Edyta Krzemien, Marcin Mrozinski, Anna Gigiel, Jan Bzdawka, Jakub Szydłowski, Wojciech Socha July 8, 2011; Wieliczka, Poland 5 MP4 files of a concert version of the Polish production. Includes most of the big numbers and limited sets and costumes.
Hugh Panaro, Mary Michael Patterson, Jeremy Hays December 10, 2013; Broadway Highlights, turnofthescorpion's master.
Hugh Panaro, Mary Michael Patterson, Jeremy Hays January 18, 2014; Broadway
Marcus Lovett, Sofia Escobar, Simon Thomas, Lara Martins, Duncan Smith (u/s), Gareth Snook, Cheryl McAvoy, Jeremy Secomb, Layla Harrison (u/s) March 6, 2013; London 6 minute WMV video, containing parts of 'Think of Me', 'Angel of Music', 'The Mirror', title song, 'Music of the Night', 'Stranger Than You Dreamt It', and 'All I Ask of You'. Blurry shot most of the time, but sometimes clears up, though is not zoomed in. Still, great to see video of Sofia Escobar.
Marcus Lovett, Anna O'Byrne, Simon Thomas April 22, 2013; London Two VOB clips only, 'Music of the Night' and 'All I Ask of You Reprise'. (Note: Image is cropped; it's much taller than it looks here.)
Hugh Panaro, Mary Michael Patterson, Jeremy Hays October 4, 2013; Broadway Turnofthescorpion's master. Starts from 'Wandering Child', mostly blindshot. MT2 file.
James Barbour, Ali Ewoldt, Jordan Donica July 15, 2016; Broadway Act 1 only, MP4 file, mostly blindshot.
Phantom Compilation 1 Original review: "San Francisco local news behind-the-scenes segment with Franc D'Ambrosio and Lisa Vroman; Mid-August 1999, All I Ask of You and Music of the Night on Today Show with Ted Keegan, Sarah Pfisterer, and Gary Mauer; 1993, Today Show Broadway 5th anniversary segment with Mark Jacoby, Karen Culliver, etc.; 1993, Michael Crawford interviewed and performing "Since You Stayed Here" on Regis & Kathie Lee and Good Morning America; E! Entertainment behind-the-scenes special of LA production hosted by Davis Gaines, with Dale Kristien, Michael Piontek, and Calvin Remsberg; 1989, CBC Behind the Mask behind-the-scenes documentary on Toronto production with Colm Wilkinson, Rebecca Caine, Byron Nease, Hal Prince, Andrew Lloyd Webber, Cameron Mackintosh, etc."
Phantom Compilation 2 Behind-the-scenes special on the national tour in Buffalo with Ted Keegan and Rebecca Pitcher, mainly in black-and-white, as well as similar behind-the-scenes special in Seattle with similar content (in color) and interviews.
Rob Guest, Maree Johnson, Peter Cousens 1994; Sydney, Australia Midday Special that aired on TV; includes interviews and four proshot songs: 'Music of the Night', 'Prima Donna', 'All I Ask of You', and 'Masquerade'.
Laird Mackintosh (u/s), Mary Michael Patterson, Jeremy Hays January 22, 2014; Broadway Laird Mackintosh's second time as the Phantom on Broadway; includes 'All I Ask of You Reprise', 'Point of No Return', and 'Final Lair'. M2T file.
James Barbour, Kaley Ann Voorhees, Jeremy Hays March 2, 2015; Broadway A bunch of MP4 videos consisting of scattered, generally Christine-oriented highlights. This was uploaded to Instagram live at the performance, so all parts are 15 seconds long. Consists of parts of 'Think of Me', 'The Mirror', title song, 'Music of the Night', rooftop, 'Wishing', 'Point of No Return', and 'Final Lair'. Parts are well-shot (sometimes it looks like the person is right under the cast member!). 
Various Phantom of the Opera-Related Clips Clips all copied off of TV: Steve Barton & Sarah Brightman singing AIAOY live, Sarah Brightman and Steve Harley's concept POTO video, interviews with Michael Crawford during his Phantom run, 1988 Tony Award Presentation to Michael Crawford, Michael Crawford and Dale Kristien performing POTO, Michael Crawford AIAOY duet with Dale Kristien, Michael Crawford in concert performing MOTN, Davis Gaines and Tracy Shayne performing MOTN, German version of MOTN sang on a TV set, German version of POTO Video, PONR with Sarah Brightman and Michael Crawford, Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman performance at the Tony Awards, Michael Crawford and Dale Kristien – Music of the Night, Sarah Brightman singing MOTN,footage of the OBC at the Majestic Theatre, Robert Guillaume and Dale Kristien – MOTN, Colm Wilkinson singing MOTN, Unidentified Raoul and Christine performing AIAOY, Michael Crawford video of MOTN, interview footage with Steve Barton.
Tim Martin Gleason, Trista Moldovan, Sean MacLaughlin* 2010; Cleveland Not my review: "This documentary aired on August 9, 2010. It includes interviews with the Advance Stage Manager, the Conductor, a Playhouse Square VP, Trista Moldovan and Tim Martin Gleason, and the Wardrobe Supervisor. Also includes footage clips from the current 2010 Phantom cast, filmed here in Cleveland."
Peter Karrie, Teresa DeZarn, Kip Wilbourne 1997; Vancouver, Canada Half hour segment from The Slate on BBC Wales about Peter Karrie's time in the Phantom Canadian production. Includes interviews and proshot clips with the cast at the time, but has some pretty heavy distortion and color bleeding.
Ian Jon Bourg, Alison Kelly, Janine Kitzen, Maike Switzer, Beatrix Reiterer 2000 and onwards; Hamburg, Stuttgart, and Essen, Germany Proshot videos of Ian Jon Bourg performing in-concert with various Christines. About 30 minutes long.
Ian Jon Bourg, Lori Zeglarski (?), Kyle Gonyea 2000 (?); Hamburg, Germany Act 2 only, includes part of the March 31, 1999 video with Jerzy Jeszke, Carla Nicholson, and Bjorn Olsson. Christine was labeled as Colby Thomas, but it looks like Lori Zeglarski. Date is also a guess.
Ian Jon Bourg, Janine Kitzen, Michael Shawn Lewis November 16, 2002; Stuttgart, Germany Monitor video of one of the first shows in Stuttgart, with audio fed in from the soundboard. Decent color and exposure; better than the other two monitor videos that came out of Stuttgart. Filming continues through intermission, so video features 30 minutes of curtains. LIMITED TRADE.
Ian Jon Bourg, Sandra Danyella September 4, 2005; Essen, Germany Promotional outdoor concert for the Essen production, includes 'Wishing', title song, and 'Music of the Night'.
Andrew Lloyd Webber, Cameron Mackintosh, Charles Hart, Gillian Lynne, Richard Stilgoe, Michael Crawford, Sarah Brightman, etc. December 26, 2006; Various Locations Not exactly an online video of the show, but the 'Behind the Mask' special documentary, taken directly off the BBC 2 channel.
Some other POTO videos:
- Video: Steve Lucas, Kristin Holck, Carsten Lepper; March 2004; Stuttgart, Germany; monitor video - Video: Hugh Panaro, Susan Owen, Tim Martin Gleason; October 1, 2005; Broadway; Panaro's last matinee of his 2005 run - Video: Christian A. Muller, Anne Gorner, Niklaj A. Brucker; March 11, 2007; Essen, Germany; last performance, monitor video - Video: Osamu Takai, Shiho Ito, Yusuke Kitazawa; June 30, 2008; Osaka, Japan - Video: Nic Greenshields, Gina Beck, Simon Bailey; May 16, 2009; London; Phanasma's master - Video: Howard McGillin, Jennifer Hope Wills, Ryan Silverman; June 25, 2009; Broadway; Howard McGillin's last - Video: John Cudia, Marni Raab, Ryan Silverman; November 17, 2009; Broadway - Video: John Owen-Jones, Celinde Schoenmaker, Nadim Naaman; December 1, 2015; London; cityofemeraldtrading's master - Video: Thiago Arancam, Lina Mendes, Fred Silveira; May 2019; Sao Paulo, Brazil; P. Rose's master - Video: Fred Silveira, Giulia Nadruz, Henrique Moretzsohn; August 2019; Sao Paulo,Brazil; P. Rose's master - Video: Thiago Arancam, Lina Mendes, Fred Silveira; December 14, 2019; Sao Paulo, Brazil; evening, P. Rose's master - Video: Thiago Arancam, Giulia Nadruz, Fred Silveira; December 15, 2019; Sao Paulo, Brazil; last matinee, P. Rose's master - Video: Thiago Arancam, Lina Mendes, Fred Silveira; December 15, 2019; Sao Paulo, Brazil; last performance, P. Rose's master
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2020.09.27 13:00 lenalikesboots A few of my POTO wants

Hi guys!!!
I'm close to completing my POTO video collection! However, for that to happen, I still need a few videos. Hit me up if you have any of these videos:
Phantom Follies Rob Guest, Marina Prior, Dale Burridge, Maree Johnson, Caroline Ferrie 1992; Australia "Australian cast puts on skits and spoofs for charity, runs for over two hours. Some of the skits/parodies: 'Beauty School Dropout,' 'The Three Raoul Amigos,' 'A Charade,' 'I'm Too Sexy,' a rock version of 'Il Muto,' and a rap/dance version of 'Think of Me'."
Brad Little, Elizabeth Southard, Tim Martin Gleason January 11, 2004; Orlando Matinee performance. Three DAT files. Small picture with a lot of washout and fuzziness. Looks like it was filmed by the same person who did the evening performance on the same date. Brad Little's last matinee performance in the national tour
Damian Aleksander, Paulina Janczak/Edyta Krzemien, Marcin Mrozinski/Piotr Domalewski 2008 (?); Warsaw, Poland Various clips, highlights, and trailers from the Polish production, mostly ripped off YouTube. Combination of MP4 and FLV file
Brad Little, Claire Lyon, Anthony Downing Late 2014/Early 2015; Hong Kong, China Poorly shot, very far away video. MP4 files. Lots of blackouts, often not focused on the stage in Act 1, but improves slightly in Act 2.
Dmitry Ermak, Tamara Kotova, Eugeny Zaycev 2015; Moscow, Russia MP4 files, highlights of Act 1 only: Hannibal, 'Think of Me', 'The Mirror', and the title song
Brad Little, Emilie Lynn/Kristi Holden, Anthony Downing 2015; World Tour A bunch of Instagram clips of various scenes and actors from the World Tour. To be gifted.
Hugh Panaro, Sandra Joseph, John Cudia, Jeff Keller, George Lee Andrews, Patricia Phillips, Marilyn Caskey, Larry Wayne Morbitt, Joelle Gates* August 9, 2003; Broadway Rather massive head blocks most of the bottom, but filmer does their best to shoot around it.
Howard McGillin, Rebecca Pitcher, Michael Shawn Lewis, Julie Schmidt (u/s), David Cryer, George Lee Andrews, Marilyn Caskey, Roland Rusinek, Heather McFadden* August 18, 2006; Broadway Terrific quality video, very sharp colors and details. Audio is out of sync starting at 'Angel of Music' but is fixed by the title song.
Absolutely Phantomless April 13, 1995; Australia "The Australian cast of Phantom of the Opera in their annual Easter Charity Concert. Each of Cameron Mackintosh’s Australian shows participates at midnight after their regular performances. These shows feature the cast members parodying songs and other shows, with a slight tilt towards their own productions. Pro-shot for video, these tapes were made for cast and crew only."
Chopper Opera Rob Guest, Danielle Everett, John Bowles April 4, 1996; Sydney, Australia "The Sydney casts of Phantom of the Opera and Miss Saigon feature in this Easter Charity concert. Features "adapted" music from both shows in addition to pop music and songs from other shows. Pro-shot for video but generation loss."
Tomasz Steciuk, Edyta Krzemien, Marcin Mrozinski, Anna Gigiel, Jan Bzdawka, Jakub Szydłowski, Wojciech Socha July 8, 2011; Wieliczka, Poland 5 MP4 files of a concert version of the Polish production. Includes most of the big numbers and limited sets and costumes.
Hugh Panaro, Mary Michael Patterson, Jeremy Hays December 10, 2013; Broadway Highlights, turnofthescorpion's master.
Hugh Panaro, Mary Michael Patterson, Jeremy Hays January 18, 2014; Broadway
Marcus Lovett, Sofia Escobar, Simon Thomas, Lara Martins, Duncan Smith (u/s), Gareth Snook, Cheryl McAvoy, Jeremy Secomb, Layla Harrison (u/s) March 6, 2013; London 6 minute WMV video, containing parts of 'Think of Me', 'Angel of Music', 'The Mirror', title song, 'Music of the Night', 'Stranger Than You Dreamt It', and 'All I Ask of You'. Blurry shot most of the time, but sometimes clears up, though is not zoomed in. Still, great to see video of Sofia Escobar.
Marcus Lovett, Anna O'Byrne, Simon Thomas April 22, 2013; London Two VOB clips only, 'Music of the Night' and 'All I Ask of You Reprise'. (Note: Image is cropped; it's much taller than it looks here.)
Hugh Panaro, Mary Michael Patterson, Jeremy Hays October 4, 2013; Broadway Turnofthescorpion's master. Starts from 'Wandering Child', mostly blindshot. MT2 file.
James Barbour, Ali Ewoldt, Jordan Donica July 15, 2016; Broadway Act 1 only, MP4 file, mostly blindshot.
Phantom Compilation 1 Original review: "San Francisco local news behind-the-scenes segment with Franc D'Ambrosio and Lisa Vroman; Mid-August 1999, All I Ask of You and Music of the Night on Today Show with Ted Keegan, Sarah Pfisterer, and Gary Mauer; 1993, Today Show Broadway 5th anniversary segment with Mark Jacoby, Karen Culliver, etc.; 1993, Michael Crawford interviewed and performing "Since You Stayed Here" on Regis & Kathie Lee and Good Morning America; E! Entertainment behind-the-scenes special of LA production hosted by Davis Gaines, with Dale Kristien, Michael Piontek, and Calvin Remsberg; 1989, CBC Behind the Mask behind-the-scenes documentary on Toronto production with Colm Wilkinson, Rebecca Caine, Byron Nease, Hal Prince, Andrew Lloyd Webber, Cameron Mackintosh, etc."
Phantom Compilation 2 Behind-the-scenes special on the national tour in Buffalo with Ted Keegan and Rebecca Pitcher, mainly in black-and-white, as well as similar behind-the-scenes special in Seattle with similar content (in color) and interviews.
Rob Guest, Maree Johnson, Peter Cousens 1994; Sydney, Australia Midday Special that aired on TV; includes interviews and four proshot songs: 'Music of the Night', 'Prima Donna', 'All I Ask of You', and 'Masquerade'.
Laird Mackintosh (u/s), Mary Michael Patterson, Jeremy Hays January 22, 2014; Broadway Laird Mackintosh's second time as the Phantom on Broadway; includes 'All I Ask of You Reprise', 'Point of No Return', and 'Final Lair'. M2T file.
James Barbour, Kaley Ann Voorhees, Jeremy Hays March 2, 2015; Broadway A bunch of MP4 videos consisting of scattered, generally Christine-oriented highlights. This was uploaded to Instagram live at the performance, so all parts are 15 seconds long. Consists of parts of 'Think of Me', 'The Mirror', title song, 'Music of the Night', rooftop, 'Wishing', 'Point of No Return', and 'Final Lair'. Parts are well-shot (sometimes it looks like the person is right under the cast member!). 
Various Phantom of the Opera-Related Clips Clips all copied off of TV: Steve Barton & Sarah Brightman singing AIAOY live, Sarah Brightman and Steve Harley's concept POTO video, interviews with Michael Crawford during his Phantom run, 1988 Tony Award Presentation to Michael Crawford, Michael Crawford and Dale Kristien performing POTO, Michael Crawford AIAOY duet with Dale Kristien, Michael Crawford in concert performing MOTN, Davis Gaines and Tracy Shayne performing MOTN, German version of MOTN sang on a TV set, German version of POTO Video, PONR with Sarah Brightman and Michael Crawford, Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman performance at the Tony Awards, Michael Crawford and Dale Kristien – Music of the Night, Sarah Brightman singing MOTN,footage of the OBC at the Majestic Theatre, Robert Guillaume and Dale Kristien – MOTN, Colm Wilkinson singing MOTN, Unidentified Raoul and Christine performing AIAOY, Michael Crawford video of MOTN, interview footage with Steve Barton.
Tim Martin Gleason, Trista Moldovan, Sean MacLaughlin* 2010; Cleveland Not my review: "This documentary aired on August 9, 2010. It includes interviews with the Advance Stage Manager, the Conductor, a Playhouse Square VP, Trista Moldovan and Tim Martin Gleason, and the Wardrobe Supervisor. Also includes footage clips from the current 2010 Phantom cast, filmed here in Cleveland."
Peter Karrie, Teresa DeZarn, Kip Wilbourne 1997; Vancouver, Canada Half hour segment from The Slate on BBC Wales about Peter Karrie's time in the Phantom Canadian production. Includes interviews and proshot clips with the cast at the time, but has some pretty heavy distortion and color bleeding.
Ian Jon Bourg, Alison Kelly, Janine Kitzen, Maike Switzer, Beatrix Reiterer 2000 and onwards; Hamburg, Stuttgart, and Essen, Germany Proshot videos of Ian Jon Bourg performing in-concert with various Christines. About 30 minutes long.
Ian Jon Bourg, Lori Zeglarski (?), Kyle Gonyea 2000 (?); Hamburg, Germany Act 2 only, includes part of the March 31, 1999 video with Jerzy Jeszke, Carla Nicholson, and Bjorn Olsson. Christine was labeled as Colby Thomas, but it looks like Lori Zeglarski. Date is also a guess.
Ian Jon Bourg, Janine Kitzen, Michael Shawn Lewis November 16, 2002; Stuttgart, Germany Monitor video of one of the first shows in Stuttgart, with audio fed in from the soundboard. Decent color and exposure; better than the other two monitor videos that came out of Stuttgart. Filming continues through intermission, so video features 30 minutes of curtains. LIMITED TRADE.
Ian Jon Bourg, Sandra Danyella September 4, 2005; Essen, Germany Promotional outdoor concert for the Essen production, includes 'Wishing', title song, and 'Music of the Night'.
Andrew Lloyd Webber, Cameron Mackintosh, Charles Hart, Gillian Lynne, Richard Stilgoe, Michael Crawford, Sarah Brightman, etc. December 26, 2006; Various Locations Not exactly an online video of the show, but the 'Behind the Mask' special documentary, taken directly off the BBC 2 channel.
Some other POTO videos:
- Video: Steve Lucas, Kristin Holck, Carsten Lepper; March 2004; Stuttgart, Germany; monitor video - Video: Hugh Panaro, Susan Owen, Tim Martin Gleason; October 1, 2005; Broadway; Panaro's last matinee of his 2005 run - Video: Christian A. Muller, Anne Gorner, Niklaj A. Brucker; March 11, 2007; Essen, Germany; last performance, monitor video - Video: Osamu Takai, Shiho Ito, Yusuke Kitazawa; June 30, 2008; Osaka, Japan - Video: Nic Greenshields, Gina Beck, Simon Bailey; May 16, 2009; London; Phanasma's master - Video: Howard McGillin, Jennifer Hope Wills, Ryan Silverman; June 25, 2009; Broadway; Howard McGillin's last - Video: John Cudia, Marni Raab, Ryan Silverman; November 17, 2009; Broadway - Video: John Owen-Jones, Celinde Schoenmaker, Nadim Naaman; December 1, 2015; London; cityofemeraldtrading's master - Video: Thiago Arancam, Lina Mendes, Fred Silveira; May 2019; Sao Paulo, Brazil; P. Rose's master - Video: Fred Silveira, Giulia Nadruz, Henrique Moretzsohn; August 2019; Sao Paulo,Brazil; P. Rose's master - Video: Thiago Arancam, Lina Mendes, Fred Silveira; December 14, 2019; Sao Paulo, Brazil; evening, P. Rose's master - Video: Thiago Arancam, Giulia Nadruz, Fred Silveira; December 15, 2019; Sao Paulo, Brazil; last matinee, P. Rose's master - Video: Thiago Arancam, Lina Mendes, Fred Silveira; December 15, 2019; Sao Paulo, Brazil; last performance, P. Rose's master
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2020.09.27 12:55 lenalikesboots A few POTO wants

Hi guys!!!
I'm close to completing my POTO video collection! However, for that to happen, I still need a few videos. Hit me up if you have any of these videos:
Phantom Follies Rob Guest, Marina Prior, Dale Burridge, Maree Johnson, Caroline Ferrie 1992; Australia "Australian cast puts on skits and spoofs for charity, runs for over two hours. Some of the skits/parodies: 'Beauty School Dropout,' 'The Three Raoul Amigos,' 'A Charade,' 'I'm Too Sexy,' a rock version of 'Il Muto,' and a rap/dance version of 'Think of Me'."
Brad Little, Elizabeth Southard, Tim Martin Gleason January 11, 2004; Orlando Matinee performance. Three DAT files. Small picture with a lot of washout and fuzziness. Looks like it was filmed by the same person who did the evening performance on the same date. Brad Little's last matinee performance in the national tour
Damian Aleksander, Paulina Janczak/Edyta Krzemien, Marcin Mrozinski/Piotr Domalewski 2008 (?); Warsaw, Poland Various clips, highlights, and trailers from the Polish production, mostly ripped off YouTube. Combination of MP4 and FLV file
Brad Little, Claire Lyon, Anthony Downing Late 2014/Early 2015; Hong Kong, China Poorly shot, very far away video. MP4 files. Lots of blackouts, often not focused on the stage in Act 1, but improves slightly in Act 2.
Dmitry Ermak, Tamara Kotova, Eugeny Zaycev 2015; Moscow, Russia MP4 files, highlights of Act 1 only: Hannibal, 'Think of Me', 'The Mirror', and the title song
Brad Little, Emilie Lynn/Kristi Holden, Anthony Downing 2015; World Tour A bunch of Instagram clips of various scenes and actors from the World Tour. To be gifted.
Hugh Panaro, Sandra Joseph, John Cudia, Jeff Keller, George Lee Andrews, Patricia Phillips, Marilyn Caskey, Larry Wayne Morbitt, Joelle Gates* August 9, 2003; Broadway Rather massive head blocks most of the bottom, but filmer does their best to shoot around it.
Howard McGillin, Rebecca Pitcher, Michael Shawn Lewis, Julie Schmidt (u/s), David Cryer, George Lee Andrews, Marilyn Caskey, Roland Rusinek, Heather McFadden* August 18, 2006; Broadway Terrific quality video, very sharp colors and details. Audio is out of sync starting at 'Angel of Music' but is fixed by the title song.
Absolutely Phantomless April 13, 1995; Australia "The Australian cast of Phantom of the Opera in their annual Easter Charity Concert. Each of Cameron Mackintosh’s Australian shows participates at midnight after their regular performances. These shows feature the cast members parodying songs and other shows, with a slight tilt towards their own productions. Pro-shot for video, these tapes were made for cast and crew only."
Chopper Opera Rob Guest, Danielle Everett, John Bowles April 4, 1996; Sydney, Australia "The Sydney casts of Phantom of the Opera and Miss Saigon feature in this Easter Charity concert. Features "adapted" music from both shows in addition to pop music and songs from other shows. Pro-shot for video but generation loss."
Tomasz Steciuk, Edyta Krzemien, Marcin Mrozinski, Anna Gigiel, Jan Bzdawka, Jakub Szydłowski, Wojciech Socha July 8, 2011; Wieliczka, Poland 5 MP4 files of a concert version of the Polish production. Includes most of the big numbers and limited sets and costumes.
Hugh Panaro, Mary Michael Patterson, Jeremy Hays December 10, 2013; Broadway Highlights, turnofthescorpion's master.
Hugh Panaro, Mary Michael Patterson, Jeremy Hays January 18, 2014; Broadway
Marcus Lovett, Sofia Escobar, Simon Thomas, Lara Martins, Duncan Smith (u/s), Gareth Snook, Cheryl McAvoy, Jeremy Secomb, Layla Harrison (u/s) March 6, 2013; London 6 minute WMV video, containing parts of 'Think of Me', 'Angel of Music', 'The Mirror', title song, 'Music of the Night', 'Stranger Than You Dreamt It', and 'All I Ask of You'. Blurry shot most of the time, but sometimes clears up, though is not zoomed in. Still, great to see video of Sofia Escobar.
Marcus Lovett, Anna O'Byrne, Simon Thomas April 22, 2013; London Two VOB clips only, 'Music of the Night' and 'All I Ask of You Reprise'. (Note: Image is cropped; it's much taller than it looks here.)
Hugh Panaro, Mary Michael Patterson, Jeremy Hays October 4, 2013; Broadway Turnofthescorpion's master. Starts from 'Wandering Child', mostly blindshot. MT2 file.
James Barbour, Ali Ewoldt, Jordan Donica July 15, 2016; Broadway Act 1 only, MP4 file, mostly blindshot.
Phantom Compilation 1 Original review: "San Francisco local news behind-the-scenes segment with Franc D'Ambrosio and Lisa Vroman; Mid-August 1999, All I Ask of You and Music of the Night on Today Show with Ted Keegan, Sarah Pfisterer, and Gary Mauer; 1993, Today Show Broadway 5th anniversary segment with Mark Jacoby, Karen Culliver, etc.; 1993, Michael Crawford interviewed and performing "Since You Stayed Here" on Regis & Kathie Lee and Good Morning America; E! Entertainment behind-the-scenes special of LA production hosted by Davis Gaines, with Dale Kristien, Michael Piontek, and Calvin Remsberg; 1989, CBC Behind the Mask behind-the-scenes documentary on Toronto production with Colm Wilkinson, Rebecca Caine, Byron Nease, Hal Prince, Andrew Lloyd Webber, Cameron Mackintosh, etc."
Phantom Compilation 2 Behind-the-scenes special on the national tour in Buffalo with Ted Keegan and Rebecca Pitcher, mainly in black-and-white, as well as similar behind-the-scenes special in Seattle with similar content (in color) and interviews.
Rob Guest, Maree Johnson, Peter Cousens 1994; Sydney, Australia Midday Special that aired on TV; includes interviews and four proshot songs: 'Music of the Night', 'Prima Donna', 'All I Ask of You', and 'Masquerade'.
Laird Mackintosh (u/s), Mary Michael Patterson, Jeremy Hays January 22, 2014; Broadway Laird Mackintosh's second time as the Phantom on Broadway; includes 'All I Ask of You Reprise', 'Point of No Return', and 'Final Lair'. M2T file.
James Barbour, Kaley Ann Voorhees, Jeremy Hays March 2, 2015; Broadway A bunch of MP4 videos consisting of scattered, generally Christine-oriented highlights. This was uploaded to Instagram live at the performance, so all parts are 15 seconds long. Consists of parts of 'Think of Me', 'The Mirror', title song, 'Music of the Night', rooftop, 'Wishing', 'Point of No Return', and 'Final Lair'. Parts are well-shot (sometimes it looks like the person is right under the cast member!). 
Various Phantom of the Opera-Related Clips Clips all copied off of TV: Steve Barton & Sarah Brightman singing AIAOY live, Sarah Brightman and Steve Harley's concept POTO video, interviews with Michael Crawford during his Phantom run, 1988 Tony Award Presentation to Michael Crawford, Michael Crawford and Dale Kristien performing POTO, Michael Crawford AIAOY duet with Dale Kristien, Michael Crawford in concert performing MOTN, Davis Gaines and Tracy Shayne performing MOTN, German version of MOTN sang on a TV set, German version of POTO Video, PONR with Sarah Brightman and Michael Crawford, Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman performance at the Tony Awards, Michael Crawford and Dale Kristien – Music of the Night, Sarah Brightman singing MOTN,footage of the OBC at the Majestic Theatre, Robert Guillaume and Dale Kristien – MOTN, Colm Wilkinson singing MOTN, Unidentified Raoul and Christine performing AIAOY, Michael Crawford video of MOTN, interview footage with Steve Barton.
Tim Martin Gleason, Trista Moldovan, Sean MacLaughlin* 2010; Cleveland Not my review: "This documentary aired on August 9, 2010. It includes interviews with the Advance Stage Manager, the Conductor, a Playhouse Square VP, Trista Moldovan and Tim Martin Gleason, and the Wardrobe Supervisor. Also includes footage clips from the current 2010 Phantom cast, filmed here in Cleveland."
Peter Karrie, Teresa DeZarn, Kip Wilbourne 1997; Vancouver, Canada Half hour segment from The Slate on BBC Wales about Peter Karrie's time in the Phantom Canadian production. Includes interviews and proshot clips with the cast at the time, but has some pretty heavy distortion and color bleeding.
Ian Jon Bourg, Alison Kelly, Janine Kitzen, Maike Switzer, Beatrix Reiterer 2000 and onwards; Hamburg, Stuttgart, and Essen, Germany Proshot videos of Ian Jon Bourg performing in-concert with various Christines. About 30 minutes long.
Ian Jon Bourg, Lori Zeglarski (?), Kyle Gonyea 2000 (?); Hamburg, Germany Act 2 only, includes part of the March 31, 1999 video with Jerzy Jeszke, Carla Nicholson, and Bjorn Olsson. Christine was labeled as Colby Thomas, but it looks like Lori Zeglarski. Date is also a guess.
Ian Jon Bourg, Janine Kitzen, Michael Shawn Lewis November 16, 2002; Stuttgart, Germany Monitor video of one of the first shows in Stuttgart, with audio fed in from the soundboard. Decent color and exposure; better than the other two monitor videos that came out of Stuttgart. Filming continues through intermission, so video features 30 minutes of curtains. LIMITED TRADE.
Ian Jon Bourg, Sandra Danyella September 4, 2005; Essen, Germany Promotional outdoor concert for the Essen production, includes 'Wishing', title song, and 'Music of the Night'.
Andrew Lloyd Webber, Cameron Mackintosh, Charles Hart, Gillian Lynne, Richard Stilgoe, Michael Crawford, Sarah Brightman, etc. December 26, 2006; Various Locations Not exactly an online video of the show, but the 'Behind the Mask' special documentary, taken directly off the BBC 2 channel.
Some other POTO videos:
- Video: Steve Lucas, Kristin Holck, Carsten Lepper; March 2004; Stuttgart, Germany; monitor video - Video: Hugh Panaro, Susan Owen, Tim Martin Gleason; October 1, 2005; Broadway; Panaro's last matinee of his 2005 run - Video: Christian A. Muller, Anne Gorner, Niklaj A. Brucker; March 11, 2007; Essen, Germany; last performance, monitor video - Video: Osamu Takai, Shiho Ito, Yusuke Kitazawa; June 30, 2008; Osaka, Japan - Video: Nic Greenshields, Gina Beck, Simon Bailey; May 16, 2009; London; Phanasma's master - Video: Howard McGillin, Jennifer Hope Wills, Ryan Silverman; June 25, 2009; Broadway; Howard McGillin's last - Video: John Cudia, Marni Raab, Ryan Silverman; November 17, 2009; Broadway - Video: John Owen-Jones, Celinde Schoenmaker, Nadim Naaman; December 1, 2015; London; cityofemeraldtrading's master - Video: Thiago Arancam, Lina Mendes, Fred Silveira; May 2019; Sao Paulo, Brazil; P. Rose's master - Video: Fred Silveira, Giulia Nadruz, Henrique Moretzsohn; August 2019; Sao Paulo,Brazil; P. Rose's master - Video: Thiago Arancam, Lina Mendes, Fred Silveira; December 14, 2019; Sao Paulo, Brazil; evening, P. Rose's master - Video: Thiago Arancam, Giulia Nadruz, Fred Silveira; December 15, 2019; Sao Paulo, Brazil; last matinee, P. Rose's master - Video: Thiago Arancam, Lina Mendes, Fred Silveira; December 15, 2019; Sao Paulo, Brazil; last performance, P. Rose's master
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2020.09.19 11:54 pog99 Ryan Faulk distorts Segregation/Jim Crow.

See the original article and the garbage it inspired.
If you were to find the about page of his blog, you would know that he defends the blog from promoting white supremacy by simply reporting the facts. A strict reading could put together that it doesn't mean that one couldn't defend or rationalize past systems of white supremacy. I've recently revisited and clarified the issues of his Slave trade article, and soon I plan on talking about multiple issues with his slavery article as well, so today I will do the same with this one.
The running theme of the piece is that disparities during Jim Crow either couldn't be explained specifically by segregation, or that disparities came larger after the 1960s thus segregation as a factor is ruled out. The problems are that -
  1. For each aspect that he measures, he doesn't tie it to a specific expert claim on how Segregation played a role in the disparity.
  2. He doesn't account for post-1960s factors that causes the persisting or larger disparity, and assumes post-1960s is a systematically neutral control.
  3. For certain disparities he compares, they are inappropriate and are not indicative of what he purports.
And for the record, no, he doesn't actually talk about voting or juror restriction by race.
The article-
We first get a rationalization of his analysis.
When I was younger, I would read world atlases. And sometimes I would come to an article, say an article on the country Colombia, and it would say that Colombia is a world leader in coffee production, then list off some other “cash crops”. Then it would go into the growing textiles sector, and mention that it has some problem with debt. Maybe it’s a leading producer of phosphates as well or something. And if you read all of this qualitative, subjective description, you would never realize that Colombia was poor. It’s not until you got to “per capita GDP” that you would discover that it was $3,000 per capita.
You could also have someone qualitatively describe a football game between Auburn and Alabama. And they could do highlights, and describe some of the big plays, and you wouldn’t know that Alabama completely steamrolled Auburn until you looked at the box score.
Or imagine if your son was “describing” qualitatively and subjectively how he was doing in his classes. As a parent you don’t care, you want to see the damn grades.
And so the effects of segregation on blacks. What does the data say? Because in school when segregation is taught, it’s the equivalent of describing a football game by just looking at the highlights and not the box score. It’s cat-lady storytime.
Well, there are a few big go-to topics that popped into my mind to try to quantify the effects of segregation on blacks: cops and courts, schools, income and lynching. So that’s what I go-to’d.

1. Incarceration rate
The incarceration rate for blacks relative to whites has increased at least since 1930, probably long before that. So in terms of blacks being targeted for being sent to prison, it looks like they were substantially less targeted compared to today.
So if the legal systems were unfair during segregation, they appear to be even more unfair today. Or perhaps they weren’t unfair during segregation, are unfair today, or perhaps the laws are different today in a way that disparately impacts blacks more than they did in the past.
There are all sorts of things we can speculate, but it’s not immediately or obviously apparent, from the data, that the legal system was particularly keen on incarcerating blacks compared to today.
So for those of you more keen on race and mass incarceration, you would know that this is particularly strong in Northern Urban regions rather than the South. A whole demographic transition occurred that accounted for it.
Not to mention he never actually looked for studies that purport to address biases during Jim Crow. What does he find through is roundabout ways?
2. Prison sentences
For prison sentences, the numbers have been remarkably stable. When you look at length of prison terms for blacks compared to whites after the FIRST release from prison, it’s very close.
The first release data is important because none of these are repeat offenders. Repeat offenders get more time, and blacks are more likely to be repeat offenders.
That said, based on the data below, blacks serve roughly ~15% longer prison terms for their first term. It could be because the crimes blacks commit within each category are, on average, more severe. It could be racial bias on the part of judges.
Or it could be that blacks have worse courtroom behavior, as when IQ is controlled for, the racial gap in prison sentences goes away.
But what you don’t see is blacks having longer prison sentences during segregation.
Black Multiple of White Median Time Served For ALL Releases in State and Federal Prisons
Now what if we looked at median prison time served just in the South, and back in 1937 – smack in the middle of “Jim Crow” – and included repeat offenders, of which black inmates are a higher proportion today? The result is not that much different from the entire US today:
Black Multiple of White Median Time Served For ALL Releases in 14 Southern States in State and Federal Prisons
Remember, the 1937 data is JUST from the South, supposedly the hot seat of bigotry, and includes repeat offenders.
Homicide data is an unweighted average of each category. In 1937 and 1952 they used Murder and Manslaughter, in 1964 they just had Homicide, and in 2009 they had Murder, Negligent Manslaughter and Non-Negligent Manslaughter.
In case you think I am cherry-picking the years to paint a particular narrative, these are literally just the years used in the Bureau of Justice report I am citing.
And so what we can see is that the black-white incarceration gap is wider today than it was in 1930. In addition, the racial gap in sentence length for first offenders does not appear to have changed at all. Even the data that INCLUDED repeat offenders just in the South in 1937 doesn’t differ that much from the first-time offender data nationally and later.
And so this makes the idea that the current US legal system was more biased against blacks during segregation than it is today SEEM false.
So this is a good example of a data point that doesn't correspond to a specific Civil Rights claim for Jim Crow relative to the post-1960s. Mass incarceration is usually shown as being a post 1960s phenomenon of bias as a particular, in connection to Blacks increasing presence in the North. His source supports it. On page 88.
The median time served for the total was 17 days. For blacks the median was 2 days longer, 19 days. Interestingly, there were larger differences between whites and blacks in time served in the North than in the South. The median time served in the North for whites was 18 days and for blacks a full week longer, 25 days. In the South the median was 17 days for blacks and 16 days for whites. Looking at time served by offense, these differences continue.
Typical civil rights claims are in regard the lack of Black Jurors deals with not simply length of prison time but biases towards choosing conviction by a white jury relative to a comparable white defendant, which this doesn't study.
Therefore, the proper way how to study this would be conviction rates in the same region overtime, such as the South, and compared between different types of juries and defendants. I lack data on this, but one form of bias I have found was application of the death Penalty for rape in the South from the 1930s to the 1960s was harsher not just for Black Criminals, but for Black criminals accused ofraping whites. In further detail, 13% of Black rapists in 11 southern states received the death penalty compared to 2% of whites.
Decreases in overall non-white (likely black) executions, by his source, decreased sharply after the 1960s. Overtime, rates of executions decreased even though crime increased into this period. Mind you, there were death penalty changes around this time.
This source, btw, contains a variety of measurements by race during Jim Crow into the present that could suggest bias outside of merely prison sentences.

3. Lynching
A related topic to this is lynching. From Richard M. Perloff, Professor of Communication at Cleveland State University:
“Approximately 4,742 individuals were lynched between 1882 and 1968; of the victims, 3,445 or 73 percent were Black.”
All lynchings were in response to a claimed offense, such as a rape or stealing cattle. Blacks were 72.65% of all recorded lynchings while being ~26.87% of the population of the South at the time.
The Black population of the Southern US 1880-1970 averages 26.87% at each decade. And so based on their population alone, if lynchings were race-neutral, and we knew nothing about race differences in violent crime going in, we would expect 26.87% of all lynchings to be of blacks. Blacks comprised 72.65% of all lynchings, giving them a representation 2.70 times their population.
However, according to wikipedia, most lynchings occurred between 1882 and 1920, and during that time period the average black population was 31.76% of the southern US population. Using this number, blacks as a percentage of lynchings are only 2.29 times their percentage of the population.
If we split the difference and just say that the black population of the south was 29.32% of the total population, then blacks as a percentage of lynchings was 2.48 times their percentage of the population.
By comparison, in 2010, blacks comprised 12.6% of the total US population, but were 38.13% of the population charged for violent crimes, giving them a representation 3.03 times their population.
And so by raw numbers the lynch mobs appear to be slightly less racially targeting than the current US legal system is. Here are those numbers put in a table:
So when I first read this I thought he was comparing lynchings to police shootings. The second time shows me how asinine he is. This is a good example of an inappropriate comparison.
Being charged with a crime isn't the same as a lynching, lynchings are categorized by the source he originally used for sentencing as an execution, one of the trends that decreased in rates for blacks and as established was higher in the South in ways suggestive of bias.
From his source-
Almost three-fourths (73 percent) of those lynched between 1890 and 1962 (the date of the last recorded lynching) were black, and in the same period, 54 percent of those executed were nonwhite. About 90 percent of those dying under State authority were executed for homicide. Only 41 percent of illegal lynchings were for homicide (Tables 2-1 and 2-2).
This is more or less consistent with my studies showing that, in the South, rape (the next largest portion of lynching offenses After Homicide) was disproportionately applied to black men with death.
Lynchings, as well decreased in accordance with campaigning against it as established in my Dwight Murphey post. This would be an example of civil rights interacting with oppression.

4. Income
This is where arguments regarding the negative effects of segregation start to have some backing in data. Looking at census data from 1948, we can see that black income as a proportion of white income went from around 44% in 1948 to about 80% in 2000. This looks like a massive effect from desegregation on it’s face:
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However, there is some interesting data from 1880. If you just look within regions, the racial gap is much less. At that time, black workers earned on median 37% of what white workers earned. However, if you just looked at the south, blacks earned 58% of what white workers earned. So just with that regional control we’re already almost half way to the current black-white income ratio.
Population and wage income by race and region in 1880
But the paper did something else – it looked at black labor income relative to whites, but just looked a rural southern whites and blacks, and only looked at labor income. And in that instance, black income was 89% of white income:
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And so when you look at the same region, and the same kind of work, and just compare the wages of workers, the black-white income gap in the rural South was only 11%, lower than it is today. And that difference could very plausibly be due to blacks having fewer skills on average in 1880.
I would be interested to see similar thin slices just looking at urban blacks in the south vs. urban whites in the south, and urban blacks in the north to urban whites in the north. I suspect that the more you held constant region and urban/rural divide, the smaller the racial gap would be.
Which is to say, that it seems like much of the black-white income gap could have been a function of blacks living in rural areas (which were poorer back then) and living in the south (which was poorer back then).
In addition, we can see that the narrowing of the black-white income gap roughly corresponds with blacks moving out of the south. This is not a 1:1 correlation, but it is does suggest that simply moving out of the south), which began in earnest around 1910, is part of the explanation for the narrowing of the black-white income gap:
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And in the north, where more of the blacks were slaves who had earned their freedom before 1865, black wages as a proportion of white wages were higher. In fact blacks in the north were wealthier than whites in the south for quite some time.
Moreover, the narrowing of the black-white income gap at the national level occurred almost entirely during segregation. So to say that the smaller amount of narrowing that occurred following desegregation was in fact a result of desegregation is something that sounds kinda plausible – there’s certainly a little story you can tell – but there’s very little data for it. The most you could say is that there was a brief acceleration of the narrowing of the black-white income gap immediately after 1965, but that could be a coincidence, and even if you want to say it was a result of the civil rights act, then the acceleration versus a continuation of the previous trend is still only going to be like 2%.
Now as for why the black-white income gap narrowed from 1948 (at least) to 2000, that’s another topic. I suspect much of it has to do with the economic rise of the south and the migration of blacks away from the rural economy. Also this higher income may not have corresponded with a rise in living standards relative to whites since the cost of living may have increased, but that’s more speculative. But desegregation doesn’t appear to have any relevance to it.
So even the narrowing of the black-white income gap, long touted as prime evidence that segregation was previously suppressing black wages, the evidence is not so clear on that.
So, he decreased the gap however in a way that was not applied to the modern gap, therefore makes his comparison null.
He spends most of this section explaining factors pertaining to geography and the like explaining the gap, even though it's existence is tied to both slavery and the economic and educational limitations of the South for Blacks. This can be seen in the lack of second generation benefits of white migrants relative to black migrants, those born in the North being positively selected for those returning to the South, and the steeper reduction in poverty among southern Blacks due to migrants that returned to the South.
Likewise, despite his claims that Northern Blacks being richer than Southern Whites, he doesn't produce a chart or study showing that.
5. Wealth and Employment
Two more things to consider is that up until the 1950’s blacks had employment rates similar to that of whites. And the unemployment rate in blacks grew much more after 1965:
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And in terms of wealth, black wealth as a proportion of white wealth has remained stagnant since 1963:
Moreover, I would say that the absolute disparity is more important than the black-white ratio. Because lets say you have $10 and Bob has $100. That’s a $90 gap. Depending on your job, that’s a day’s wage, or half a day’s wage. Now if you have $100 and Bob has $900, now you’re looking at multiple days’ wage. And so on and so on. So even though the relation is the same, the practical importance of the gap is growing. Also just the total dollar amount difference is increasing. And these are all in “2013 dollars”, which adjusts for inflation.
And so when people say that the relative economic situation of blacks has improved relative to whites since segregation, they’re looking at one thing: nominal income at the national level. They’re not looking at employment, at wealth, or how much, if at all, the income gap has narrowed when controlling for what region of the country we’re looking at, or if it’s urban or rural.
While this is worth pointing out, it fails to account for complex factors of the great migration. While gains were present, unemployment increased due to urban living and relatively higher demands in skill compared to the South. This can be seen by actually referencing the study he pulls the chart from, where changes in unemployment occur earlier and become starker outside of the South.
What is also interesting his how an earlier study done by one of the researchers of the 1999 study he cites notes how human capital can't explain as much of the gap in the North as it can in the South.
6. Schools
Another argument that segregation depressed black economic success is their lower school funding. On average, from 1890 to 1950, the average of how much each state spent on black schools as a proportion of what they spent on white schools was 56.96%. So they had less funding.
But funding for what? For “better teachers”? What’s a “better teacher”? What has been found in the US is that increased real spending on schools has not increased overall performance since the 1970s, and more importantly voucher studies have shown that the school an individual goes to has no real impact on either GPA, standardized test scores or future college attendance.
So the fact that additional funding didn’t matter in 1970 is one thing. But did it matter from 1870 to 1954?
Well, we don’t have regular standardized tests from that time period, but we do have a nationally representative IQ test done in 1917 for all US army conscripts for World War 1. In it blacks scored a median of 83 compared to the white score that was set to 100. Today the black median is still at 85. Okay, two points. And my guess is they were hollow for “g” anyway.
Certainly there were journalists at the time who did “investigative journalism” and wrote anecdotal reports of how bad the black schools were. Michael Moore does “investigative journalism” today too about how great the Cuban healthcare system is. Walter Duranty visited the USSR in the 1930s and came back writing glowing reviews of the benevolent, if firm, policies of Stalin.
Maybe they were telling the truth, maybe they were making things up, who knows.
Black schools were probably worse But the question is how much worse really? And for most people, did it even matter? Most of what people learn in school they forget anyway, so aside from literacy and basic math, the practical importance of school would be minimal for most people at that time.
And the culture of school credentials as a signal to employers hadn’t developed yet, so at the time any “educational disadvantages” blacks had, whatever they were and if any, would not matter in terms of credential-signaling because that hadn’t developed yet, and in terms of knowledge beyond basic literacy and math – that all gets forgotten anyway.
So....lets review.
  1. He could've mentioned the Coleman Report but didn't. This is a pretty major study in this particular field of social science, so for Faulk to miss something crucial to grounding his point only demonstrates his lack of familiarity with the material.
  2. I'm going to to assume, since the link is dead, that the studies referenced in that link doesn't account for how money is spent.
  3. His study cites work from a cosumer behavior course, not actual studies on schools.
  4. A recent study shows that for Jim Crow, school quality accounts for the majority of the wage gap for the era.
  5. Actual tracking of changes in school quality supports the conclusion.
  6. Previous data given regarding the Great Migration would indicate that education and a market to use it made generational different for blacks, even considering selection.
7. Countrymen?
This section is a bit of a digression. In a broader sense, blacks weren’t seen as legitimate countrymen to some extent for some time in the region. And so since the blacks were viewed as “foreigners” to southern whites, who to some extent viewed northern whites as foreigners as well, they didn’t think they owed the blacks equal school funding any more than they owed people from Peru or Romania or China equal school funding.
I.e. the black-white gap in school funding meant as much to them as the american-chinese gap in school funding, as both the Chinese and the blacks were foreign to the southern whites.
Now you can have whatever opinion you want about it, and say that blacks were rightful countrymen of southern whites, and really pound your fists in self-righteous certainty about it because you “know it to be true”. That’s certainly your viewpoint.
But understand that it is just your viewpoint, and when you realize that the southern whites viewed blacks the way we look at illegal immigrants today, and that the times during which either repatriation of blacks to Africa or creating a separate black country out of land in the US were serious proposals were still in living memory at the time.
Today blacks have been part of the US for so long that such proposals probably seem bizarre to you. And they would bizarre and cruel if implemented today. But also remember that the US had to impose military governments in the south in order to pass the 14th amendment that gave the blacks citizenship. And Oregon, New Jersey and Ohio renounced their ratification of the 14th amendment after the fact in protest of this action.
Obviously is was a symbolic gesture, but it showed that opposition to the way the 14th amendment was passed wasn’t considered some kooky fringe idea at the time. Of course it is now because if you bring up the use of military governments in passing the 14th amendment – well, “only racists talk about that”, so it just gets dismissed.
But yes, understand that the 14th amendment was seen like granting “amnesty” to the illegals is today – it would be creating an alternative method of granting citizenship for a specific group of non-citizens in the US today.
(And the fact that more whites supported granting citizenship to the black slaves at the time than supporting granting amnesty to illegals today is support for a theory I have about whites in the past being more “neurologically left-wing” even if they would be considered today to hold “far-right” positions by today’s standards.)
  1. Despite whatever perceptions American whites had about Americans blacks, it doesn't change the facts were that blacks were not comparable to the Chinese at the time. The cultural gaps and their economic history on a racial basis doesn't justify it.
  2. The basis of historical relativism in this case was seeming argued further in his MLK video, now deleted. That is, as argued by others before, whites didn't have to pay taxes for Black schools. This causes obvious problems as the average black had only limited wealth to tax in large part due to limited skills.
Faulk's self prophesied Conclusion-
So, what do we learn from his conclusions? He bizarrely begins with a tangent on the Zimmerman and Wilson trials and the correlated of media knowledge.
Some excerpts.
The jurors certainly knew more facts about each case than the general public did. Moreover, whites are more likely to believe Zimmerman and Wilson were justified, and whites do better on tests of current events knowledge. In addition, males, who do better on current events knowledge tests than females, also were more satisfied with the Zimmerman verdict than women, and women do worse on current events knowledge tests. Also, people with higher education levels approved the verdict as well.
Thus, all three factors that correlate with general political and current events knowledge (being white, being male and having lots of time in school) also correlate with approving the Zimmerman trial verdict. And the people who had the MOST knowledge – the jurors – unanimously found Zimmerman not guilty.
If you go by the literature in news media talking about “institutional racism” and “white privilege”, it’s not immediately obvious that the aggregate of all media is any less obsessed with the plight of the coloreds than they were in 1964. Maybe they were, but I have no way to really tell.
Do you see it? Do you see that lack of any real transition? Maybe some further comment can help.
But lets say Derrick Wilson killed “the gentle giant” in 1961. There was no internet in 1961, what you knew about the events was what a few major news outlets chose to report. As it happens, a jury also found J.W. Milam and Roy Bryant not guilty of murder in their killing of Emmett Till. And what do you know about that event? Do the facts you know of the Emmett Till verdict seem to paint a one-sided story to where it is unbelievable, yes, unbelievable that a jury would find Bryant and Milam not guilty?
Once again we have a comparison that isn't proper. The modern day examples leaves no ambiguity as to who killed who, it was a matter of whether the killing was justified or not.
The Emmett Till situation was vastly different, since the matter of whether or not Till was killed, whether or not Milam and Bryant were guilty, or exactly what happened between Till and Bryant in the store. Her own account only goes as far as to say that she was grabbed by the waist, while press releases by the defense/police was explicitly more violent. Both stories differ from her original account to her lawyers. Even the officer who initially believed that the body belonged to Till changed his mind when the town's reputation began to be tarnished.
Furthermore, even if we are to treat the Till case like the modern day examples, it only shows the hairiness of the case itself. Despite the defense being that Till is not confirmed dead, and that the brothers were innocent of murder, part of their defense regarding Till's actions and the release of Louis Till's rape record by politicians shows a blatant message. That even if the brothers killed Till, it was justified despite nonetheless being illegal.
Anyone, however, can read the various sources that talks about the issue at length. Personally I have Devery Anderson's most recent book.
Because we all know that the courts in the South were incredibly unfair to the blacks? Except there’s no real data to support that at the time,
In regards to death penalties, legal and illegal, for interracial rape, we do. This is supported, along with the data, In regards to changing testimonies in the case of Till, from the police, we do. From the fact that shortly afterward another white on black murder with a white witness (and multiple black ones) claiming otherwise. Said white was not only a friend of the defendants of the Till case, but was defended by the same officer who doubted the corpse's identity.
Point is that an entire survey of the south as a premise of bias is unnecessary (though supportive) of bias. The specific town where the crime took place has plenty of evidence of bias during the trial stemming from community values.
and victim surveys from modern times correspond with the police arrest rates, and police are more likely to kill a white person in any given arrest situation, are more likely to shoot blacks in simulations, and the black percentage of killing cops is higher than their percentage of being killed by cops. And in fact the black incarceration rate relative to whites is HIGHER than it was during segregation.
Irrelevant to the context of Till, a circumstance so legally unique from the above examples it shows Faulk's ignorance. The only connection is the matter of white credibility in modern settings verses in the context of a particular case.
As shown in previous articles, modern “institutional racism” in terms of police and court bias, callbacksand educational opportunities are very easily revealed to be phantasms – or at the very least the issue of whether or not they exist is much more complex than the basic statistics you hear on tumblr and huffpo posts would suggest.
Both articles are shitty, see United Left on the school vouchers argument.
Recent studies have shown that residential racial segregation has increased in the United States. This is an improvement over older studies which simply looked at cities and the percentage of each race in the cities. These newer methods actually look at the likelihood of you having a neighbor of a different race, and find that racial segregation is increasing.
So it's basically comparing two different types of "segregation", the conventional method comparing pre-1960s trends nonetheless decreasing.
We already know that schools are more segregated than they were during the late 1960s. Now this is a profound thing; you’ve been to school. You had first hand experience with how racially segregated they were. THAT was close to what it was like during Jim Crow that we hear so many stories about. So… how segregated did it seem?
Again, misleading headline.
In other places on this site, Sean and I make arguments about how currently, blacks and hispanics are not getting a raw deal in employment, courts or education. But what surprised me was just how much, looking into the past, the old days seem so similar to today in terms of the lot of blacks compared to whites.
They are drawn parallel. The past is not far away, it’s right here. 60 years ago was yesterday.
Only your superficial understanding of the 1960s, or any decade before.
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2020.09.19 00:42 lisagreenhouse Gary Michael Hilton, the National Forest Serial Killer, is known to have murdered four people. But his crimes and travels make it hard to believe there weren’t earlier victims. Are there more waiting to be discovered?

Who is Gary Michael Hilton?
Gary Michael Hilton, sometimes referred to as the National Forest Serial Killer, was a drifter who murdered at least four hikers in and around national forests in Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina between 2005 and 2008.
Hilton was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison in January 2008 for the murder of Meredith Emerson, 24. After that conviction, investigators across the country began looking into unsolved cases that were similar to Emerson’s, and Hilton was charged with and found guilty of three more killings. In 2011, he received the death penalty in a Florida court for the slaying of Cheryl Dunlap, 46. In March 2012, he plead guilty to the murders of John Bryant, 80, and Irene Bryant, 84 and a North Carolina court sentenced him to four consecutive life sentences.
Emerson, Dunlap, and the Bryants shared no specific victimology, instead it appears he chose them at random when he needed money. Investigators agree that his were crimes of opportunity, and they believe Hilton may have committed more murders across the southeast United States in the years before his four known victims were killed.
Hilton was born November 26, 1946. He had an unstable home life and varied criminal record that stretched from childhood until he was arrested for Emerson’s murder at the age of 61. In 1959, when he was just 13, Hilton reportedly shot his stepfather in a jealous rage over his mother. His stepfather didn’t press charges, but Hilton did spend some time in a mental hospital after the shooting.
At 17, Hilton joined the army, and he served from 1964 through 1967, including a tour in West Germany. He was honorably discharged in 1967 after he had been hospitalized for hearing voices and diagnosed with schizophrenia.
Hilton was married at least three times, but none of his marriages were long—the longest was just two years. He isn’t believed to have any children. His third wife was a security officer at Stone Mountain Park, a 3,000 acre park near Atlanta that offers camping, hiking, wooded trails, lakes, and family attractions, including the massive peak at its center that is carved with the likenesses of Confederate soldiers.
Hilton loved the outdoors. He hiked, camped, and frequently lived in forests and mountains around the south and southeast United States. He loved dogs, too, and had a dog named Dandy (sometimes reported as a golden retriever, other times described as red in color).
He never had steady employment; after leaving the army, he worked as a chauffeur in Florida from 1970 to 1972, and he was arrested in 1995 for stealing books he was hired to sell from a door-to-door sales company. From 1997 to 2007, he worked off and on handing out advertisements and doing odd jobs for a Gwinnett County, GA, siding company, but he permanently lost that job when he threatened to kill the company owner if he didn’t pay him $10,000.
Hilton also had ongoing legal troubles. He was convicted of a DUI in Florida in 1973; in 1983, he was convicted for carrying an unlicensed gun and a drug charge; he was found guilty of theft and marijuana possession in 1987; and he plead guilty to 21 counts of solicitation in 1995.
Samuel Rael, an attorney and filmmaker in Atlanta, admitted that in 1995 Hilton helped him develop the plot for the movie Deadly Run. The movie is about a man who stalks, hunts, and murders women in the woods, a storyline that has similarities to Hilton’s crimes. Rael had defended him in court multiple times since the mid-1980s for crimes ranging from arson and trespassing to solicitation of false charitable donations. Rael said Hilton, whom he considered a consultant on the project, came up with the idea of the main character releasing women into the woods to be hunted like prey and that he also helped select that cast and found the cabin in the woods near Cleveland, Georgia, where much of the movie was filmed. Meredith Emerson’s remains were found approximately 30 miles from that same cabin 13 years later. Investigators have said that Hilton was not considered a suspect in any murders or disappearances during the time the movie was being filmed.

Confirmed Victims
Victims are listed in the order of their disappearances and murders. However, his final victim, Meredith Emerson, was the first to be linked to Hilton. His implication in her murder helped solve the others.
Irene Bryant, 84, and John Bryant, 80, disappeared after driving 20 miles from their home to hike and look at fall colors in North Carolina’s Pisgah National Forest on October 21, 2007. The couple had been married for 58 years and loved traveling, hiking, and being outdoors. Their active lifestyle meant that they were sometimes hard to reach, and it took time for their neighbors and family to realize they were missing. Their son Bob reported them missing on November 2. He drove from his home in Texas to North Carolina to help search for his parents and discovered their vehicle at a trailhead parking lot. Investigators subpoenaed telephone and financial records and discovered that Irene had tried to call 911 around 4 p.m. on October 21 but the call didn’t go through. They couldn’t confirm whether the call failed due to lack of service or interference by another person. Financial records showed a bank withdrawal from their account at 7 p.m. the day after Irene attempted the 911 call. Security footage at the bank in Ducktown, Tennessee, 25 miles away from their vehicle, showed a slender man man in a hooded raincoat using the Bryant’s ATM card. Investigators couldn’t identify the person, but it was neither of the Bryants.
Irene’s body was found on November 9, covered with leaves and sticks, just 100 yards from where the couple’s vehicle was parked. She had been killed by a blow to the head and her arms and legs appeared to have also been beaten. Investigators speculated that her attacker had lain in wait on the trail or in the woods just beyond the parking lot.
John’s skeletal remains weren’t found until February 5, 2008 when a hunter stumbled across them.
On October 26, 2007, Hilton was stopped by a sheriff’s deputy while trespassing on private hunting land. Hilton tells the deputy he’s a paratrooper on field maneuvers, and, when asked if he’s carrying any weapons, he shows the officer an expandable police baton. The officer checks for open warrants and then lets him go. However, Hilton did have an open warrant for a minor 1972 offense in Miami, and he should have been detained.
In March 2012, Hilton plead guilty to murdering the Bryants, and he admitted to camping out in the parking lot, scouting for victims. Hilton admitted he had kidnapped Bryant from the parking lot, drove him to the Nantahala National Forest, walked him 30 feet down an embankment, and shot him in the head. It’s believed Hilton wasn’t certain he could control both victims at once, so he chose to kill Irene at the location and then use her death to intimidate and scare John into cooperating and giving him the couple’s ATM PIN number.
In the days before the Bryants’ murders, other hikers reported seeing, talking to, and even photographing and confronting Hilton in the Pisgah National Forest in the area where the Bryants were murdered. Along with pleading guilty of ambushing and killing the Bryants, Hilton also plead to robbery and firearms offenses in their case. He again accepted a plea deal to avoid the death penalty and was remanded to serve four additional life sentences consecutively with the life sentence already handed down for Emerson’s murder.
The Bryants are Hilton’s first known victims, although he was sentenced in their cases after being tried for his later crimes.
Cheryl Hodges Dunlap, 46, was a mother of two grown sons and a nurse and Sunday school teacher, She was last seen alive on December 1, 2007. She had gone hiking alone in Apalachicola National Forest in the Florida panhandle just outside Tallahassee at about 9 a.m. Friends reported her missing after she failed to show up to teach her Sunday school class on December 2 or arrive at work on Monday morning, December 3. Three days after she disappeared her car was found with a flat tire, parked on the shoulder of Highway 319 just outside of the national forest. A search of the area revealed nothing of use. However, an investigation into her digital footprint discovered bank withdrawals.
A little over a week after she went missing, authorities released surveillance photos of a man successfully using Dunlap’s ATM card to withdraw money on December 2, 3, and 4, the three days immediately following her disappearance. Police could not identify him because he was wearing a rubber mask, gloves, and hat. Detectives staked out the ATM machine for the next week, but the man never returned.
Dunlap’s decapitated remains were discovered near Bloxham Cutoff Road in the Apalachicola National Forest on December 15 by hunters who noticed the presence of buzzards. Because her head and hands were missing, it took a DNA sample to confirm that the remains were hers.
Hilton was proven to be in the area when and where Dunlap disappeared because a forestry agent had run his vehicle tag number through the police database on December 7. After Dunlap’s body was found, a hunter also reported coming into contact with Hilton in the forest—driving a white van, wielding a knife and appearing disheveled or homeless. The hunter said he’d warned Hilton that the woods was a bad place to be during hunting season. This interaction allowed the hunter to identify Hilton in a photo lineup. A forestry agent had also questioned Hilton on November 17, 2007 and run his white van’s tag number through a database to ensure it wasn’t stolen. On December 28, another forestry agent interacted with Hilton in Osceola National Forest, about 160 miles from where Dunlap was last seen. Those sightings proved Hilton had been in the area before and then left after Dunlap’s murder. The final item of proof was one of Dunlap’s boots, which Hilton was attempting to discard in the dumpster with Emerson’s belongings when he was initially arrested.
Investigators believed Hilton kidnapped Dunlap from the Leon Sinks Geological Area of Apalachicola National Forest, where friends said she had mentioned going to read a book. He likely kept her alive for a few days in order to get money from her ATM card, finally killing her. Investigators say he burned her head and hands in his campfire, then left her vehicle by the road after puncturing the tire with his police baton. There was no physical evidence tying him to the crime, but investigators were able to recover audio tapes on which Hilton had recorded himself talking crudely about women and referencing killing women and hiding things. He said he was a sociopath who could disassociate from the act of murder.
Hilton was indicted on Thursday, February 28, 2008 for Dunlap’s murder, kidnapping, and two counts of grand theft. He was found guilty by a unanimous jury in February 2011 and sentenced to death. He unsuccessfully appealed the conviction.
Dunlap was Hilton’s third known victim; he was sentenced in her case after being tried and found guilty for murdering his last-known victim, Meredith Emerson.
Meredith Emerson, 24, was last seen alive on New Year’s Day 2008, with her dog, a black Labrador retriever mix named Ella. The pair had left home in Buford, Georgia, to hike one of their favorite trails on Blood Mountain. The location is the highest peak in Georgia’s section of the Appalachian Trail and is located on the border of Lumpkin and Union counties inside the Blood Mountain Wilderness and the Chattahoochee National Forest.
Concerned after she didn’t return home, Emerson’s friends and boyfriend reported her absence to local police. She was classified as an overdue hiker. The next day, friends and authorities searched the area where Emerson and Ella had been hiking but did not find either of them. A winter storm moved in that day, and authorities had to halt the search.
After her disappearance made news, witnesses came forward to claim that they’d seen her hiking with an older man, approximately 60 years old with a red dog, on a spur trail that connects the Appalachian Trail to the Byron Herbert Reece Parking Lot. One caller was a former police officer. He reported that while hiking he’d discovered a police baton, water bottles, sunglasses, a barrette, and a dog leash and treats scattered over an area of disturbed and scuffed ground. He had seen an older man with a police baton walking with a younger woman minutes before finding the items, and he recognized the leash as the one the young woman had been holding. At first, he’d thought they were father and daughter, but the scattered belongings and evidence of a struggle concerned him. While there, he talked with another group of hikers who had seen the man hiding in the woods, but they were unable to locate him after a short search. They gathered the scattered items and left them at a local store, but they didn’t call police at the time. The next day after seeing a report on TV about Emerson’s disappearance, the former officer called investigators to report what he’d seen and found the day before.
Also on January 2, John Tabor, a former employer of Hilton’s, called police to let them know Hilton matched the description of the man seen with Emerson on the trail. He said Hilton had called him a few hours before and had apologized for acting erratically and violently toward him, asked him for money, and told him he was near Blood Mountain. He’d asked Tabor to leave him a check at a business Tabor owned, but he never came to collect the check. Investigators noted that Tabor hadn’t called them immediately to inform them of Hilton’s similarity to the suspect or his proximity to the possible kidnapping.
Police also recovered surveillance images of Hilton unsuccessfully attempting to use Emerson’s ATM card. Investigators had hope that Emerson was still alive and they were now sure she was with Hilton, so they disseminated Hilton’s DMV photo to the media.
On January 4, another witness called police to report that he had encountered an older man and young woman camping near a white van. The witness was driving a lawn care truck when he got it stuck in a stream. He asked the older man for help, but he’d refused. The witness said it seemed like the man was trying to keep him away from the van. When the witness called police dispatch to ask for help getting his vehicle unstuck, the man quickly packed up and left the area in a seeming rush.
That same day, Ella was found wandering in a grocery store parking lot in the town of Cumming, Georgia, about 60 miles away from Emerson’s last-known whereabouts. Investigators also discovered bloody clothing, bloody men’s boots, and Emerson’s purse and wallet in a dumpster across the street from the store where Ella was located. A boot, later confirmed to belong to Hilton’s third victim, Cheryl Dunlap, was also recovered from the dumpster.
Later that evening, a witness called 911 to report that Hilton—whom he recognized as the suspect in Emerson’s disappearance from news reports—was at a local gas station cleaning out a white van. Police arrived and prevented Hilton from using a vacuum cleaner and bleach on the van’s interior; they also discovered bloody clothing and blankets he had attempted to discard in the gas station trash receptacles. Blood in the vehicle was later matched to Emerson, and Hilton was charged with her murder.
During almost five hours of interrogations, Hilton admitted that Emerson fought back against him when he attacked her, yelling and using her martial arts skills to fend him off (she’d earned a blue belt in aikido and was posthumously awarded a black belt). He said that she almost got away, but that he was finally able to subdue her when she lost her footing and stumbled. He said he’d chosen to attack her because she was a woman, and that they’d hiked together for a while before she outpaced him. He then stopped and waited for her down the trail, planning to rob her of her ATM card when she was returning to her vehicle. He admitted to taking Emerson from the parking lot in his van, returning at her request a few minutes later to pick up Ella, who had initially been left behind. He drove her to multiple banks and unsuccessfully attempted to use her ATM; police believed she was intentionally giving him wrong PIN numbers to buy time. Unfortunately, no one at the banks or law enforcement noticed the failed transactions or attempted use of Emerson’s ATM cards until January 4.
Eventually Hilton gave up and drove Emerson to a secluded location where, for three days, she continued to give him incorrect ATM PIN codes in an apparent attempt to give rescuers time to find her. Hilton told investigators that he tired of waiting for the correct PIN number, so he told Emerson he was taking her home; however, he admitted that he knew he couldn’t release her since she’d seen his face and vehicle and knew so much about him. Instead, while she was tied to a tree, he hit her over the head repeatedly with a car jack handle to kill her, and then he decapitated her. He covered her body with leaves, then drove to another wooded area more than an hour away, where he discarded her head. He said he was unable to kill Ella and decided to let her go. Disturbingly, in that same interview, when asked about whether it was hard for him to kill Emerson, Hilton stated, “It was hard … you gotta remember we had spent several good days together.”
Hilton offered to lead investigators to Emerson’s body if they’d agree to remove the death penalty option. An autopsy confirmed Hilton’s story: her cause of death was officially listed as blunt force trauma to the head, and she’d been decapitated postmortem.
He plead guilty to Emerson’s murder on January 30, 2008, and he was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 30 years.
The case was in the news again in 2010 when a writer for Hustler magazine submitted a request for crime scene photos for use in an article about Emerson’s kidnapping and murder. A judge blocked the request, preventing the Georgia Bureau of Investigation from releasing "any and all photographs, visual images or depictions of Meredith Emerson which show Emerson in an unclothed or dismembered state.” The Georgia House also passed The Meredith Emerson Memorial Privacy Act, preventing “gruesome crime scene photos from being publicly released or disseminated.” The Act, House Bill 1322, stops the release of all images in which victims of crimes appear “nude, bruised, bloodied or in a broken state with open wounds, a state of dismemberment or decapitation.”
Hilton’s involvement in Emerson’s kidnapping and murder drew the attention of investigators in other states. While she is believed to be his last victim, the successful investigation into her case resulted in his guilty pleas and sentencing for three other murders. A series of other unsolved crimes is also being investigated for ties to Hilton.

Possible Victims
Melissa Witt, 19, disappeared from the parking lot of a local bowling alley in Fort Smith, Arkansas on December 1, 1994. On January 13, 1995, her body was found by hunters in a rural area of the same county from where she disappeared. She was naked, and her remains were near a rock that’s been described as headstone-like. Her clothing was never located. Some investigators believe that there are similarities between Witt’s disappearance and death and those of Hilton’s known victims.
Judy Smith, 50, is considered a possible victim of Hilton’s because her remains were found near the location where Hilton would bludgeon Irene Bryant a decade later. Smith was last confirmed to have been seen by her husband, Jeffrey, at a Philadelphia hotel on April 10, 1997. The couple flew from their home in Newton, Massachusetts to Philadelphia the day before so that Jeffrey could attend a work conference. After arriving at the airport, Judy discovered she had left her identification at home and would not be able to board the plane. She returned home to retrieve her ID and took a later flight, meeting Jeffrey at their hotel. She planned to go sightseeing while Jeffrey was attending the conference, and Jeffrey confirmed she’d been alive and in their room that next morning. That evening, after the conference meetings had ended for the day, Jeffery could not find Judy. He searched for her and tried to report her missing around midnight, but investigators told him he needed to wait 24 hours.
During the ensuing investigation, there were a number of sightings of a woman matching Judy’s description in and around Philadelphia, several of which seemed to describe a person experiencing psychological problems or acting disoriented or disturbed. Other possible sightings were of a woman matching Judy’s description riding the bus, shopping at a mall, and sitting outside a gourmet grocery store. The Smith family found some of the descriptions and sightings credible.
On September 7, 1997, about five months after Smith was last confirmed to have been seen, hunters in the Pisgah National Forest about 9 miles from Asheville, North Carolina discovered scattered bones around a shallow grave. Some clothing and personal effects were also located. Cut marks and punctures found on the ribs and clothing suggested the victim had been stabbed. The remains were confirmed to be those of Judy Smith. Strangely, the clothes she was discovered wearing were not any she was known to have owned or reported by witnesses, and the family has no explanation for why or how she got to or was in Asheville. Later reports found that people in the Asheville area had seen Judy or a woman who resembled her. The sightings were deemed credible, but no one claimed to have seen Judy with anyone else. Money and jewelry was found near Judy’s body and belongings, so robbery was ruled out as a motive. Investigators came to believe Smith traveled to Asheville voluntarily, but they’re unsure of why or what happened to her while there. Hilton has been suggested as a possible suspect, but investigators have not publicly linked him to Smith’s case or named as a suspect.
Levi Frady, 11, was abducted from Little Mill Road in Forsyth County, Georgia, on October 22, 1997. The next day his remains were found partially submerged in a rainwater-filled pit in Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area in Dawson County, Georgia. He had been shot three times, once in the chest and twice in the head. Investigators consider Frady’s case open and active. Some have hinted Hilton is considered a suspect, but he has not been publicly named.
In April 1998, Jason Knapp, 20, disappeared. He was a student at Clemson University, and he was last known to have been seen by his roommate at around 10:30 p.m. on April 11, watching a movie at their residence. His vehicle was found on April 21 at Table Rock State Park in Pickens, South Carolina. The area is about 30 miles from the university and is very rugged. Investigators found a Wendy’s restaurant receipt inside the vehicle dated April 12 at 1:30 p.m. It is believed he drove to the park on April 12. He had also withdrawn $20 from his bank account that day; his bank cards, including an ATM card, were never found. The area around his vehicle showed no signs of struggle or foul play, and it is unknown whether he drove to the location alone. Searchers canvassed the area around his vehicle for two weeks and found nothing of interest.
Patrice Endres, 38, disappeared from her hair salon in Cumming, Georgia, between 11:30 a.m. and noon on April 15, 2004. She vanished during a gap of about 12 minutes between clients. The front door of the salon was unlocked and the cash register was empty, but there was money in her purse. Her lunch was in the microwave and her vehicle was parked at the salon.
Her skeletal remains were found in December 2005 behind a church about 10 miles from her salon. A woman came forward with a description of a man in a white van parked in front of the salon, but she later recanted the story. Serial killer Jeremy Brian Jones admitted to killing Endres and dumping her body in Sweetwater Creek in Douglas County, but authorities ruled him out as a suspect after her remains were found 70 miles from that location and when he couldn’t provide any additional information that wasn’t in the public record. Authorities looked at Hilton’s possible involvement, but they say he is no longer considered a suspect. There is no information as to why investigators have ruled him out.
Rossana Miliani, 29, lived in Miami, Florida, and disappeared while vacationing in Cherokee, North Carolina. She was last confirmed to have been seen at about noon on December 7, 2005, in the hotel where she was staying. She called her father and told him she was going hiking on the Appalachian Trail. Some reports say she was spotted in Bryson City, NC, where she rented a storage space, shortly before disappearing. Miliani is reported to have bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, but no details are available about whether she was on medication or if she was experiencing any issues at the time of her disappearance.
On the two-year anniversary of her disappearance, a clerk at a local store read an article about Miliani and called investigators to report that she’d sold a backpack or bag, possibly a sleeping bag according to some sources, to Miliani and a man who claimed to be a traveling preacher who visited campsites around the Appalachian Trail. According to the clerk, the man was about 60 years old, had hair greying at the temples and may have been wearing a hair piece because his hair looked unusual. The clerk claimed that Miliani appeared to be nervous.
A private investigator working on the case released a sketch of the unidentified man in June 2009. The man resembles Hilton, and he’s considered a possible suspect. Neither Miliani nor any of her belongings, including luggage and a camera, have been found; no money has been withdrawn from her bank account since her disappearance, but a deposit was made on December 31, nearly three weeks after her disappearance. No further information is available about that deposit.
Some sources say Hilton is known to have stolen and unsuccessfully tried to use Miliani’s bank card, but I was unable to find official corroboration of those reports.
A fisherman found the remains of Michael Scot Louis, 27, dismembered and stuffed in plastic garbage bags, in the Tomoka River at Ormond Beach, Tomoka State Park, Florida on December 6, 2007. His torso and legs were recovered, but his head has never been found. Louis was last known to have been seen on November 21 or 22, 2007, but when his remains were found 16 days later, the autopsy estimated he had only been dead for two to seven days. It’s unclear where he was or who he may have been with during the days he was unaccounted for. Days after his disappearance, his Firebird was found parked unusually far from his apartment in the apartment complex’s parking lot in South Daytona, Florida, with the keys still in the ignition and his dirty laundry and guitars inside.
Hilton was officially ruled out as a suspect after DNA testing did not implicate him, but some thought he should remain on the list as a potential suspect. In January 2018, Nelci Tetley, 67, was arrested for shooting to death and dismembering her then-boyfriend, Jeffrey Albertsman, 55. It was discovered that she had possibly also dated Louis, although she denied knowing him or having a relationship with him, and she’s been named as a suspect in his case.
University of Georgia student Cayle Bywater disappeared from Athens, Georgia on December 29, 2007. She was reported missing after neighbors became concerned when her dog was seen running loose outside her home. Meredith Emerson would be kidnapped three days later from Vogel State Park, about 80 miles north of Athens.
On January 11, Bywater’s body was found in an Athens lake. An autopsy listed drowning as her cause of death, but there’s disagreement about how she came to be in the lake. There were no traces of illegal drugs or alcohol in her system, but she had been prescribed medication to treat a mental disorder, reported by some agencies as bipolar disorder. The autopsy also found a previously undiagnosed heart defect, but that could not be proven to have played a part in her death.
A photograph taken by an undisclosed individual the day she was last seen alive shows Bywater in Memorial Park walking her dog on leash. Witnesses claim to have seen someone matching Bywater’s appearance walking a dog in the park near the lake where her body was later found, and some said she appeared to be disoriented or chasing the dog. No signs of foul play were discovered on her body or at the scene, but her family insists she did not wander off or commit suicide. In a news article dated January 8, 2008, (https://www.savannahnow.com/article/20080108/news/301089882) her family was concerned that she may have been kidnapped by someone who saw her in a disoriented or confused state and took advantage of the situation. That same news article mentions the kidnapping of Meredith Emerson by Gary Michael Hilton but quotes an investigator as saying the local police department and Georgia Bureau of Investigation did not consider the cases related at that point. It’s unknown if Hilton is now or was ever considered a suspect in Bywater’s case.
Are there more? There are dozens of unsolved cases of missing and murdered people in the areas where Hilton was known to or may have traveled or lived. Someone put together this Google Map detailing known and possible victims of Hilton: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1v-4PyOHDjE17GhkF6ofEvFWtLes&hl=en&gl=us&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&z=5&ll=34.77220536527494%2C-83.37685848300629 . It’s a very interesting rabbit hole. I’m unsure who created the map or what criteria they used to include possible victims. If anyone on this sub has information about the creation of this map, please let me know and I’ll include more details.

What Don’t We Know? Discussion and Theories
Knowing what we do about Hilton and the crimes for which he was convicted, it’s hard to believe that Emerson, Dunlap, and the Bryants are his only victims. Investigators have pointed out that it’s rare for a serial killer to start killing in their 60s, and Hilton’s crimes seem to be the work of a confident killer. His lack of victimology—targeting victims based on opportunity rather than sticking to a certain type of person—and his large geographic footprint, transient lifestyle, lack of family and friends, and remote hunting grounds all point to the possibility that he’s been active for a lot longer than the short spree of four known victims.
There are so many missing people and unsolved homicides in the southeast corner of the United States that it’s not hard to think Hilton may be responsible for some of them.
What are your thoughts or theories?

A note of thanks: u/cspach2005 invited me to do this write-up on Hilton for an upcoming podcast on www.disturbedpodcast.com. They covered my previous write-up on Timothy Bindner (https://www.reddit.com/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/g2mh3i/hes_been_a_suspect_in_the_disappearances_of_at/) in this podcast, https://www.disturbedpodcast.com/bindne, so I was thrilled to contribute again. I’ll add a link to the podcast episode on Hilton once it’s done.

Resources:
Park Predators podcast about Hilton: https://parkpredators.com/episode-1-the-hunte
YouTube video of Georgia Bureau of Investigation interview with Hilton (4.5 hours): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9Tw1iejmzc
ThoughtCo blog from July 14, 2019 about Hilton’s crimes: https://www.thoughtco.com/the-gary-michael-hilton-case-971046
Murderpedia entry for Hilton, including text from news articles: https://murderpedia.org/male.H/h/hilton-gary-michael.htm
Timeline of Hilton’s life and crimes: http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2008/02/gary-michael-hilton-timeline.html
Strange Outdoors article from January 23, 2018 about Hilton and his victims: https://www.strangeoutdoors.com/mysterious-stories-blog/2018/1/22/gary-michael-hilton-the-hiker-murders
CNN article from 2008 detailing how Hilton helped make a movie about a serial killer: https://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/03/13/hilton.movie/index.html
Wikipedia article: Murder of Meredith Emerson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Emerson
March 23, 2008 article detailing Hilton’s confession and Emerson’s fight to survive: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23769881/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/killer-says-female-hiker-fought-him-end/
March 11, 201 article about judge barring release of crime scene photos in Emerson’s case: http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/10/meredith.emerson.photos/index.html
August 2012 opinion piece by the journalist who requested Emerson crime scene photos explaining why he did so: https://www.ajc.com/news/opinion/why-requested-slain-hiker-crime-scene-photos/2PmN2O3oTCOJKq7mBuvgfL/
Wikipedia article about the Judy Smith case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Smith_homicide
Rossana Miliani Charley Project profile: http://charleyproject.org/case/rossana-miliani
Article from December 17, 2007 about remains found in Florida, possibly linking them to Cheryl Dunlap: https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4010778&page=1
Article from February 28, 2008, announcing Hilton’s indictment in the case of Dunlap: http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/28/hilton.indictment/index.html
March 27, 2012 article about Hilton pleading guilty to the Byrants’ murders: https://www.blueridgenow.com/article/NC/20120327/news/606022032/HT
May 17, 2008 article detailing John Bryant’s autopsy findings: https://www.blueridgenow.com/article/NC/20080517/News/606047031/HT
January 4, 2018 article about the Bryants: https://www.ajc.com/news/local/tragic-end-for-unique-couple/PzAHQbeBqHLPzNjGei0nAJ/
December 23, 2007 article about memorial service for Michael Scot Louis: https://www.news-journalonline.com/article/LK/20071223/news/180117745/DN
January 24, 2018 article about Nelci Tetley’s arrest, possible implication in Louis’ death: https://heavy.com/news/2018/01/nelci-tetley-accused-dismembering-killing-boyfriends/
January 13, 2017 article commemorating the 22nd anniversary of Melissa Witt’s unsolved disappearance and murder: https://www.5newsonline.com/article/news/local/outreach/back-to-school/melissa-witts-body-found-22-years-ago-investigation-still-open/527-5556593c-22df-4077-b6c3-e7fd7f041f33
Jason Knapp’s Charley Project profile: http://charleyproject.org/case/jason-andrew-knapp
April 4, 2010 article about Patrice Endres’ disappearance and murder: https://www.forsythnews.com/local/crime-courts/husband-seeks-closure-in-cold-case/
Google Map detailing known and possible victims of Hilton: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1v-4PyOHDjE17GhkF6ofEvFWtLes&hl=en&gl=us&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&z=5&ll=34.77220536527494%2C-83.37685848300629 (I did not create this map, nor do I know who did or what criteria they used when choosing which possible victims to include. I’ll gladly edit the post to include that information if someone knows more details about the map’s creator or creation.)
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2020.09.17 22:46 brain_overclocked Sports Affiliated Voting Initiatives Table: NBA

Sports Affiliated Voting Initiatives Table: NBA

Vote: NBA arenas & facilities being used for 2020 election
RISE to Vote: RISE to Vote is a nonpartisan initiative of RISE that partners with sports teams, leagues and athletes to improve civic engagement in our country.
Early Voters: for some states only certain precincts can vote at the stadiums, make sure you check ahead of time.
Know How To Vote, and Check Your Deadlines
Team City State Location Events Other
Atlanta Hawks Atlanta GA State Farm Arena Early voting location for Fulton County residents only for the Presidential General Election and Special Election, Oct. 12-30. This location is for early voting only, and will not be open during election day. Voter registration competition with Golden State Warriors.
Brooklyn Nets Brooklyn NY Barclays Center Will host voters for Early Voting, Oct. 24 – Nov. 1, and on Election Day, Nov. 3. Social Justice Commitment Statement
Charlotte Hornets Charlotte NC Spectrum Center Will host early voting for the 2020 elections from October 15 – 31. Voting hours will be 8 a.m. – 7:30 p.m. on weekdays, 8 a.m. – 3 p.m. on Saturdays and 1 p.m. – 5 p.m. Swarm the Polls
Cleveland Cavaliers Cleveland OH Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse Will host National Voter’s Registration Day, September 22nd from 10:00 a.m. – 2:00 p.m. Polling location for Nov. 3rd election for registered voters residing in precincts I, L and Q in Cleveland’s Ward 3. National Voters Registration Day
Dallas Mavericks Dallas TX American Airlines Center Will host as a polling location for the Nov. 3rd election. VOTE Mavs Take Action!
Detroit Pistons Detroit MI Henry Ford Performance Center Will host as a voting center for the Nov. 3rd election. Get In the Game. VOTE.
Houston Rockets Houston TX Toyota Center Will be open to any registered voter in Harris County from Oct. 13-30 and on Election Day, Nov. 3. Hours of operation will run seven days a week from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. N/A
Golden State Warriors Oakland, San Francisco, and Santa Cruz CA Oakland Facility, Kaiser Permanente Arena, Thrive City Oakland Facility and Kaiser Permanente Arena in Santa Cruz will both serve as polling sites and ballot drop-off locations on Election Day, November 3, 2020. The Oakland Facility will also serve as a poll worker training location. Thrive City will serve as a ballot drop-off location for San Francisco County voters from October 31 through November 3. Voter registration competition with Atlanta Hawks.
Indiana Pacers Indianapolis IN Bankers Life Fieldhouse If you are registered to vote in Marion County then you can go to Bankers Life Filedhouse to vote on Nov. 3rd. N/A
LA Clippers Inglewood CA The Forum Voters will be able to vote in person or drop off mail-in ballots at the Forum from October 24 - November 3. N/A
Los Angeles Lakers Los Angeles CA Staples Center Voters can cast their ballot at beginning Friday, October 30 through Election Day, November 3. Will also act as a Vote by Mail Drop Box location for those who prefer to drop off their voted mail-in ballot in an official drop box provided by the L.A. County Registrar's office. More Than A Vote is spearheaded by LeBron James.
Milwaukee Bucks Milwaukee WI Fiserv Forum From Oct. 20 through Nov. 1, the City of Milwaukee announced that voters may cast their ballots in-person at Fiserv Forum for the Nov. 3 election. N/A
New York Knicks New York City NY Madison Square Garden Manhattan voters who are assigned to Madison Square Garden can vote early from October 24th thru November 1st with varying hours, including weekends, early morning and evening hour options. Voting booths will be located at Madison Square Garden’s Chase Square, at the 7th Avenue entrance between 31st and 33rd Streets in New York, NY. N/A
Oklahoma City Thunder Oklahoma City OK Chesapeake Energy Arena As part of the program, the Thunder will hold voter registration drives inside Chesapeake Energy Arena every Saturday from Sept.12 - Oct. 4, leading up to the Oct. 9 deadline to register to vote in the Nov. 3 general election. Thunder Vote
Orlando Magic Orlando FL Amway Center Will be open on September 22 for voter registration. This will also take place inside the Disney Atrium from 10 a.m. – 2 p.m. The facility will be open starting October 19 – November 1, 8 a.m. – 8 p.m. on the north side of Amway Center at the Church Street entrance inside the Disney Atrium. All registered voters from Orange County will be able to cast their ballot. Get Off the Bench. Get Into the Game. VOTE
Philadelphia 76ers Philadelphia PA Wells Fargo Center Undecided Vote 76
Phoenix Suns Pheonix AZ Veterans Memorial Coliseum Will serve as a voting center and early voting ballot drop location. A date is still in the works to accept early ballots. N/A
Sacramento Kings Sacramento CA Golden 1 Center Will be open to the public leading up to the General Election, October 24 to November 3. N/A
San Antonio Spurs San Antonio TX AT&T Center Will serve as an early voting site from Oct. 13-30 and Election Day on Tuesday, Nov. 3 N/A
Utah Jazz Salt Lake City UT Vivint Arena Will serve as polling stations for the General Election on Nov. 3 as an alternative to people unable to vote by mail. N/A
Washington Wizards Washington DC Capital One Will be open for Early Voting, which runs Tuesday, October 27, 2020 – Monday, November 2, 2020. The hours for Early Voting are 8:30 a.m. – 7:00 p.m. On Election Day, Tuesday, November 3, 2020, Capital One Arena will be open from 7:00 a.m. – 8:00 p.m. Rep the District and Vote
Minnesota Timberwolves Minneapolis-Saint Paul MN N/A N/A Pack the Vote
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2020.09.17 21:13 brain_overclocked Sports Affiliated Voting Initiatives Table: NBA

Sports Affiliated Voting Initiatives Table: NBA

Vote: NBA arenas & facilities being used for 2020 election
RISE to Vote: RISE to Vote is a nonpartisan initiative of RISE that partners with sports teams, leagues and athletes to improve civic engagement in our country.
Early Voters: for some states only certain precincts can vote at the stadiums, make sure you check ahead of time.
Know How To Vote, and Check Your Deadlines
Team City State Location Events Other
Atlanta Hawks Atlanta GA State Farm Arena Early voting location for Fulton County residents only for the Presidential General Election and Special Election, Oct. 12-30. This location is for early voting only, and will not be open during election day. Voter registration competition with Golden State Warriors.
Brooklyn Nets Brooklyn NY Barclays Center Will host voters for Early Voting, Oct. 24 – Nov. 1, and on Election Day, Nov. 3. Social Justice Commitment Statement
Charlotte Hornets Charlotte NC Spectrum Center Will host early voting for the 2020 elections from October 15 – 31. Voting hours will be 8 a.m. – 7:30 p.m. on weekdays, 8 a.m. – 3 p.m. on Saturdays and 1 p.m. – 5 p.m. Swarm the Polls
Cleveland Cavaliers Cleveland OH Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse Will host National Voter’s Registration Day, September 22nd from 10:00 a.m. – 2:00 p.m. Polling location for Nov. 3rd election for registered voters residing in precincts I, L and Q in Cleveland’s Ward 3. National Voters Registration Day
Dallas Mavericks Dallas TX American Airlines Center Will host as a polling location for the Nov. 3rd election. VOTE Mavs Take Action!
Detroit Pistons Detroit MI Henry Ford Performance Center Will host as a voting center for the Nov. 3rd election. Get In the Game. VOTE.
Houston Rockets Houston TX Toyota Center Will be open to any registered voter in Harris County from Oct. 13-30 and on Election Day, Nov. 3. Hours of operation will run seven days a week from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. N/A
Golden State Warriors Oakland, San Francisco, and Santa Cruz CA Oakland Facility, Kaiser Permanente Arena, Thrive City Oakland Facility and Kaiser Permanente Arena in Santa Cruz will both serve as polling sites and ballot drop-off locations on Election Day, November 3, 2020. The Oakland Facility will also serve as a poll worker training location. Thrive City will serve as a ballot drop-off location for San Francisco County voters from October 31 through November 3. Voter registration competition with Atlanta Hawks.
Indiana Pacers Indianapolis IN Bankers Life Fieldhouse If you are registered to vote in Marion County then you can go to Bankers Life Filedhouse to vote on Nov. 3rd. N/A
LA Clippers Inglewood CA The Forum Voters will be able to vote in person or drop off mail-in ballots at the Forum from October 24 - November 3. N/A
Los Angeles Lakers Los Angeles CA Staples Center Voters can cast their ballot at beginning Friday, October 30 through Election Day, November 3. Will also act as a Vote by Mail Drop Box location for those who prefer to drop off their voted mail-in ballot in an official drop box provided by the L.A. County Registrar's office. More Than A Vote is spearheaded by LeBron James.
Milwaukee Bucks Milwaukee WI Fiserv Forum From Oct. 20 through Nov. 1, the City of Milwaukee announced that voters may cast their ballots in-person at Fiserv Forum for the Nov. 3 election. N/A
New York Knicks New York City NY Madison Square Garden Manhattan voters who are assigned to Madison Square Garden can vote early from October 24th thru November 1st with varying hours, including weekends, early morning and evening hour options. Voting booths will be located at Madison Square Garden’s Chase Square, at the 7th Avenue entrance between 31st and 33rd Streets in New York, NY. N/A
Oklahoma City Thunder Oklahoma City OK Chesapeake Energy Arena As part of the program, the Thunder will hold voter registration drives inside Chesapeake Energy Arena every Saturday from Sept.12 - Oct. 4, leading up to the Oct. 9 deadline to register to vote in the Nov. 3 general election. Thunder Vote
Orlando Magic Orlando FL Amway Center Will be open on September 22 for voter registration. This will also take place inside the Disney Atrium from 10 a.m. – 2 p.m. The facility will be open starting October 19 – November 1, 8 a.m. – 8 p.m. on the north side of Amway Center at the Church Street entrance inside the Disney Atrium. All registered voters from Orange County will be able to cast their ballot. Get Off the Bench. Get Into the Game. VOTE
Philadelphia 76ers Philadelphia PA Wells Fargo Center Undecided Vote 76
Phoenix Suns Pheonix AZ Veterans Memorial Coliseum Will serve as a voting center and early voting ballot drop location. A date is still in the works to accept early ballots. N/A
Sacramento Kings Sacramento CA Golden 1 Center Will be open to the public leading up to the General Election, October 24 to November 3. N/A
San Antonio Spurs San Antonio TX AT&T Center Will serve as an early voting site from Oct. 13-30 and Election Day on Tuesday, Nov. 3 N/A
Utah Jazz Salt Lake City UT Vivint Arena Will serve as polling stations for the General Election on Nov. 3 as an alternative to people unable to vote by mail. N/A
Washington Wizards Washington DC Capital One Will be open for Early Voting, which runs Tuesday, October 27, 2020 – Monday, November 2, 2020. The hours for Early Voting are 8:30 a.m. – 7:00 p.m. On Election Day, Tuesday, November 3, 2020, Capital One Arena will be open from 7:00 a.m. – 8:00 p.m. Rep the District and Vote
Minnesota Timberwolves Minneapolis-Saint Paul MN N/A N/A Pack the Vote
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